Chelsea Banter Archive January 09 2013

09 Jan 2013 22:59:55
Torres was absolutely shocking to tonight, definitely Ba start on Saturday. He needs to be sold he's useless


Wild

09 Jan 2013 22:52:48
i have tried to support torres for two years now and im finished with it, i have backed him unconditionally bcoz he is a chelsea player.but now i have had it he is finished i would rather have drogba back, TORRES IS CR"P get rid, demba ba is a good buy he is a very good striker, world class no but he makes torres look like a league 2 forward.In the 8 or so minutes he was on he completly changed the look of the tie, he scored a disallowed goal had two good headers and nearly got a penalty.
Ivanovic had a shocker its not rafas fault, the only mistake i could point at him was oscar should of been pulled sooner i thought he was our worse player after torres to be honest just didnt happen for him
For me rafa has made the greatest long term signing for the club Playing LUIZ in the midfield he looked good tonight and the person who said he was a headless chicken clearly has no understanding of the game.
last year i loved ramires but now i think he should be dropped for a while he isnt playing well,
1 ivanovic howlers
2 luiz looks good in midfield
3 all this RDM sh1t at 16 mins is embarassing.we were 4th in the league when he took over were did we finish 6Th{the players won the CL thru determination not RDM tactical nouse}
4 there was times in the first half tonight that when these players play together for a while we will be awesome, some of the passing was first class, look at the ramires chance if that was barca the media would all be sitting with semis on them.
5 Rafa has made us more solid as a unit going forward and defensivly since mourinho the balance is good
thru the team.
6 i am getting a bit sick of the lampard hero stuff i love super frank but why sign a 35 year old for next year on wage that would be in around 3 mill a year, i will never forget his public outbursts towards AVB if he loved the club and was the ultimate professional, he would of got on with it and supported the cause not criticised the manager, would man you players get on like that no so for that reason he lost my hero status last year.
drogba was getting dropped and he just got on with it he will always be my fave chelsea player ever he was just immense and knew when to bow out gracefully.
6 i think chelseas future will be better than the last few years, the players we are buying are pure quality i can't say in the last two years we have made a bad signing other than torres.
piazon
wallace
luiz
cahill
mata
oscar
hazard
cesar azpillecueta
marin
moses
ba
de bruyne
courtois
That is a great looking team for the future and i dare say there will be more.
i wrote this season off after cl exit we are rebuilding for a great future and we are in transition and still 3rd in league still not out of coc, got a kind draw in fa cup, and we could go on a good europa cup run that would be good cl experience for next year.
yes we lost tonight it was a freak result but to get on there backs boo the team and sing for rdm was i think ridiculous.RDM was sacked by west brom for god sake, was he really the man to build the new chelsea NO and i mean NO.
Rafa is doing an ok job so far and if we don't get who we want in the summer he will probably get the job full time.Get behind him for the next 5 months and you never know, yes he said all those things years ago, but mourinho did silly things to {i wish he comes home}.
cheer up we are lucky fans at the minute as it is obvious the club are doing all the right things for the long term not just for NOW.
sorry for the long post
Gareth 1973

Some good stuff Gareth i enjoyed that post however i think you were wrong about Oscar the same way the other poster was wrong about luiz. For me he played top 3, made clever runs, showed toughness and emotion(what he did to draw the yellow) and hardly gave the ball away while applying the most pressure up front.

Top post gareth, sounds time like you know what it was like supporting cfc through the tough times b4 roman arrived, I was there during Ian portifield, David Webb era, times were hard.
All the plastic fans and boo boys of today make me puke.

09 Jan 2013 22:23:20
You can forgive Ivanovic, he's been solid for ages, everyone makes mistakes and has bad games.

Mikel has been solid in midfield for years, then came that juve game and no-one forgave him.

09 Jan 2013 22:15:39
Not really too dissapointed about the result tonight, which is a bit wierd. I mean we had a lot of possesion and spent most of the game in the opossition half, two mistakes cost us. Other than the mistakes we were not that bad( i have seen us play a lot worse and also a lot better). Just a couple of points though i think would help our team.
Why do we always need to play the same formation?
When at home drop one of the holding midfield players and maybe play marin out wide with oscar inside next to mata.
Fernando torres has to go, he is probably the main problem in our squad. If in the summer we are going to activate falcao release price then why wait. If the club could get £20m for torres then they should take it. What the hell has happened to ramires, apart from mata he was probably our best player last year. Whenever cech is not in the team i instantly worry for us as turnbull and hilario are knowhere near good enough to play for a top team. If we can bring in fellani then i think letting lampard go is probably the best idea. I know i will get mugged off for saying that, but you have to take in different views, not just keeping him for his legend status. Is it actually fair on keeping him next year and he only plays a handfull of games at the end of his career, when playing at milan/juventus he would probably be a first team regular. Is it right the club should pay a squad player 150k per week. I think cole's case is different as i don't really believe there is anyone better out there. So i would like him to be offered a new contract. Lastly we have players who with a bit of tweaking we could get the better out of them i think. We have players who would be better suited out wide than always trying to play narrow down the middle where teams like swansea can just sit back and defend. Maybe trying something new like back to 4-3-3 or another formation to use wide attacking players. When things go pear shaped like tonight we all think we should do this do that, but that is my problem with rafa. He will keep his trust in players like torres instead of playing people who are hungry to play.
Team i would like v stoke if fit:
Cech
Cesar terry cahill cole
Oscar luiz ramires
Hazard ba mata

Team can easily go to 4-3-3, 4-5-1

Before my views get slated. This is what this site is about and where all chelsea fans who just want to see our team winning .

NWBLUE

I agree
gareth1973

Like your post NW, lot of sense in it. My only comment is about the formation not being an issue imo as it seems to me we push frwd and play like 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 depending on the shape of the opposition. I agree tho that we play narrow a lot and i think thats why Moses was given the start because he's a true winger but we still manage to create chances each game we need to become more clinical as a team. Our set peices use to produce goals regularly but recently have lets us down with everybody heading high(Cahill, Luiz, Ivan) over the post.

Bluelab

I agree 100% mate but I also think we should try 2 up top
Born blue die blue

I liked your ideas, and i agree with your team but i would drop terry for ivanovic (even after tonight) and also swap ramires and oscar, and hazard and mata also, but great post

Not sure if we have the personell for 2 uptop unless 1 is a mid such as Hazzard. Both Ba and ft9 have struggled in that allignment, being used to being lone strikers.

09 Jan 2013 22:05:52
Thats what happens when you have a bunch of overpaid diva's....no one plays for Chelsea because they love and respect the club, they play for ridiculous wages.. Thats it, period. This excludes Frank, Drogba and Terry.

Of course, the players with some of the highest wages.

Come on how old are you. we played some brilliant football, we just started with a pleb up top. BLUEBOY1

Mata luiz cech what about these are they over paid divas i think not

09 Jan 2013 21:55:25
does the rule go away when you turn pro or something. When in doubt put it out

09 Jan 2013 21:52:11
am sitting here in total shock! not cos of the result i thought we played alright but for demba ba to come on with 8mins to go and to have more of an impact in the game than torres did for 82mins is a total embarasment i can't even say to myself ok torres might of had an off night BUT its every bloody game!!

ROMAN END your LOVE AFFAIR WITH TORRES ITS COSTING US GAMES!!!kevinCFC

09 Jan 2013 21:49:21
Pathetic management of the team is what is costing us games. What was the plan? Tell me.

QPR, West Ham, Corinthians, Fulham and now Swansea. I would expect all of the opposition to play like this at the Bridge. It is just perfect.

We have no ideas in the final third. Also at least 10 minutes of the game we spend passing uselessly between our backs and goalie. Where the hell is the sense of urgency?

Rafa has rotated everyone except for the defenders. Those guys could have had a breather, IMO. Not Ivanovic looks like villain, but had we finished 0-0 it's just as horrible of a result, considering we are playing almost all the best players at home!

Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.

JG

The only problem here is torres..if our another striker is not torres, we will win..lol

JG its not the managment at all its souley down to the lazy sulky person up top who won't put a shift in! every1 makes mistakes and ivanovic who has been class all season made a couple of errors

Postings of JG and Melbourne at least provide some therapy amid the madness that is persisting with Torres and Benitez's mindless (lack of until too late) substitutions. Has Benitez in his brief reign now got the worst home wins record percentage of all managers since Raneiri? Surely poorest record against 'weak' opposition? VBS

We knock the ball around at the back to move the oppo around to create space but if the oppo want to park the bus the there ain't a lot you can do about it as we proved last year.
Unless you want the back four to launch it forward at every opportunity for a big man to get a flick on for the runners. If rafa sent them out to do this in the 2nd half he'd get slated for that also. The bloke can't win.
Yes he should of hooked Nando at HT for demba but apart from that I can't see what he did wrong, the over payed pampered players need to take some responsibility for a change.

Torres is not the "only" problem. They are countless. It just depends on what the targets are. If it is to win against QPR at home - the problem is/was game planning and team selection.

If you aim higher it is the players brought in and the players left out. Look at this Azpiliqueta fella. A fullback should be able to cross, shouldn't he?

I'm tired going on and on, starting to repeat myself. To summarise - yu can't win with dwarfs and no striker.

JG

I think we are fine in all ares other than torres. it is as simple as that. torres 82 minutes zero all game ba 8 minutes 2 headers and a offside goal. BLUEBOY1

09 Jan 2013 21:43:19
Torres is so bad

Stadium finally booded that person! It is hard playing with one guy who is not in the building.

09 Jan 2013 21:41:45
My thoughts on the game.

Torres as usual Rubbish. Demba Ba did more damage in his 6mins than Torres did all match. Top striker we have in Ba. Surely Torres needs to be on the bench for life. Ivanovic - Rubbish game today. I fear the axe over his head due to John Terry's return.

Shak

Fear the axe? seriously.... he´s been one of the most solid defenders since ancelotti

09 Jan 2013 21:41:12
we will win if we play ba from the start..bad result..2 stupid mistakes by ivanovic..wat a shame

aky

09 Jan 2013 21:37:14
Not making excuses because the two mistakes can't be defended, but I have to say that the match officials were absolutely awful this evening.

MB

09 Jan 2013 21:35:17
Give brana the boot

He is a rock at the back just 2 bad passes and hes out grow and learn to see blue support the team

09 Jan 2013 20:47:35
Good chances but bad finishing. Looks like Qpr where we dominate and Swansea dropping 10 deep and gets all the luck. Must be Karma for last year's CL run. We need Ba on the pitch because Torres looks lazy.

Put a bid in for Danny Graham

09 Jan 2013 20:45:01
Drop Torres for good, Rafa. And the job is yours!

JG

09 Jan 2013 20:37:35
hopefully torres will put a kit on for the 2nd half! absoultly disgusting!


kevinCFC

Villa will do better when he arrives, oh wait a minute.
Ssssssshhhhhh.

09 Jan 2013 20:25:15
is everyone going to hate ivanovic now?

Yes for his passing, mistakes happen his passing is slow and robotic

No, that was his first mistake since he signed.

As much turnbulls fault as ivo, did the same thing with Ramirez a few minutes later.
Dp

How's that turnbulls fault? Please explain?
That's the way we play, what's the point in him just launching it up to the 3 dwarfs & the invisible man.

Can't be Turbull's fault, ball could easily have been played back to the keeper if Ivan was paying attention.

School boy error when you play out from the back you don't put it down the middle when there are 2 opposition players ready to close down. Play it out wide, thats why the full backs move out and up the pitch ready to receive the pass from the keeper.

09 Jan 2013 19:12:12
Being honest if we are that desperate for attacking options in midfield, why don't we recall De Bruyne?

Has been explosive for Bremen and looks like he could add some skill and flair to the team.

D

09 Jan 2013 18:57:39
we will need to kill the tie dead tonight dnt fancy going to their place with a draw or a slight leadkevinCFC

Villa here yet?

A win or a draw ?
how about a 2 goal deficit pinky?
much love n17

Well it nearly is dead now!

09 Jan 2013 17:07:44
do you think we'll make any effort for cavani or falcao this window?

09 Jan 2013 15:00:35
This is how I would personally like to the see the transition of our squad be completed by the end of summer 2013. I think with this final splurge we would have the makings of one of the greatest ever teams and would see something incredible as it develops over the coming years. If we made these signings I don't think we would need to re-enter the market for some time which would be useful with the introduction of FFP in summer 2014. An average squad age of 22. Incredible!

1. Courtios (age 20)
2. Delac (age 20)
3. Blackman (age 18)

4. Azpilicueta (age 22)
5. Wallace (age 18)
6. Ivanovic (age 27)
7. Cahill (age 27)
8. Sakho (age 22) - £8m
9. Okore (age 20) - £5.5m
10. Coentrao (age 24) - £13.2m
11. Shaw (age 17) - £5.2m

12. Luiz (age 25)
13. Oriol (age 21)
14. Fernando (age 25) - £17.2m
15. Ramires (age 25)
16. McEachran (age 19)
17. Oscar (age 21)

18. Mata (age 24)
19. Hazard (age 22)
20. Isco (age 20) - £14.1m
21. Piazon (age 18)

22. Falcao (age 27) - £30m + Torres
23. Ba (age 27)
24. Neymar (age 20) - £41.4m
25. Taison (age 24) - £11.2m

TOTAL COST: £145.8m

Sales:
Cech - £18.9m
Turnbull - £3.5m
Terry - £8.5m
Bertrand - £5m
Mikel - £17.2m
Essien - £5.8m

Ferreira, Hilario, Lampard, Malouda, Cole, etc go on frees (reducing wage bill) and get rid of no hopers such as Kakuta / Bruma for as much cash as possible.

TOTAL SALES: £58.9m +

TOTAL COST OF TRANSFER BUSINESS AND COMPLETETION OF SQUAD TRANSITION: £86.9m

Where the hell is Chalobah!?

Peds

De Bruyne?

Chalobak, Ake, Kallas, Feruz. All under 19 and very talanted! could go on and on......Kevin De Buyren(spelling)! DJ

Essien will not go for anything in the summer. Who would buy Mikel and Terry for those prices? Get Neymar out of that team you dreamer and where is De Bruyne probably our brightest looking prospect?

We are not going to sign sahko, okore, shaw, coentrao, fernando, isco, falcao, neymar and taison.

Maybe 3 or 4

Turnbull 3.5
Cech 18.9... Not 19m but 18.9 lol
Mikel 17.2
Where did you get these numbers from!

When you wrote 17.2 for Mikel, I presume you mean £17.02 ?

We will not sign Neymar, Fernando or Sakho. Falcao is also very unlikely. Doubtful we will sell Terry or get that amount for Mikel. Next summer we will likely sign Benat and Isco, along with a main striker. Most likely options being Higuain, Cavani or someone with a smaller price tag.

09 Jan 2013 13:27:42
If Bradford City were to win the League Cup, would they get to play in the europa(well qualification stages)?

I have heard that only premier league and championship teams can qualify for europa so is that true?

Sev

They're not guna win it though cause we are the mighty blues and we win what we want

Sev

Birmingham played in the Europa league whilst in the Championship

It was a hypothetical question

09 Jan 2013 06:25:36
if lampard goes to utd he will lose respect!

If you stop believing everything you read, and sign your posts, you might gain some.

Melbourne CFC

How can a man shown the door loose respect?

JG

How will he loose respect? Regardless of his contract situation and the complete lack of respect being shown by the club to him, he has been at the club for 12 years consistently performing at the highest levels in the game. Joint second highest scoring player in the clubs history on 193 goals, 1 champions league, 3 premier league, 4 FA cup, 2 league cups and in my opinion the greatest player in the chelseas history. When he leaves it will be a sad, sad day for the club, and wherever he goes, be it Liverpool, Barnet or Lazio he will leave a legend. There are no circumstances I can see that should result in any true supporter of the club loosing respect for Frank.

Blue25

Lamps wouldnt do that to us anyway

Peds