Chelsea Banter Archive August 08 2012
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08 Aug 2012 22:51:16
Chelsea really need to relax on the transfer front. I think we're trying to do everything too quick. Trying to get Hulk, Azpilicueta, Schurlle, Moses, Neymar (possibly) etc. Lets be realistic, Neymar isn't going anywhere until after January, Moses won't go anywhere else, Hulk will go on for a long time, we don't really need a holding midfielder (We already have Ramires, Essien, Mikel, Miereles, Mcheachran and Lamps). I think the only real person we need is Azpilicueta for now. If we really need a striker then sign a striker around 10-15mil who can give us 2-3 seasons, and deliver, i.e. Oscar Cordozo, Soldado etc and at least they won't push Torres out of the first team because they are older, instead of blowing 40mil on a big striker and hoping they will perform (Cavani, Schurrle). What I'm basically trying to say is that Chelsea need to just calm down and realize how much time they have to sign players in the future
RT
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The fifa fair play ruling will make it harder for teams like chelsea to sign "top players" for ridiculous amounts of money, that is why we are moving so quickly
trueblue012 {Ed002's Note - It ius driven by a need to rebuild due to aging palyers.}
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Why is every1 saying rami is now a holding mid? He never played there hes attacking!
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He isnt what you would call attacking, more of a box to box, o and by the way he played holding alot for benfica. BLUEBOY1
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08 Aug 2012 22:50:21
Does anyone else think Ramires would be suited for a right back role? He is strong in the tackle, has great stamina and can bomb down the right flank. Also there will be lots of competition for places in the centre of midfield and on the wings. Just a thought
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Are Chelsea Interested in Any youngsters that haven't been mentioned in the media?. {Ed002's Note - Without knowing who you mean I cannot possibly say - and I am not really hip to the kiddies.}
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Hes our best centre mid so y move him exactly? BLUEBOY1
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And I thought he was wasted at right wing....
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08 Aug 2012 21:23:33
sorry---ITV (damn)
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08 Aug 2012 21:22:32
i have googled, checked the website and sky planner. is the Community Shield game not being televised?
DannyTrueBlue
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Yer bbc
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No, its ITV
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08 Aug 2012 20:41:29
...........................cech.................................
azpilicueta........cahill....terry...............cole
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........................m'villa..................................
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...............oscar..................hazard.................
marin...................................................mata
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.............................torres............................
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M'villa doesn't play for chelsea
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No rami=no bueno.
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Yes m'villa plays for chelsea in dis guys football fantacy!!
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Ramires for marin and lamps where m'vila is
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Its a fantasy line up, azpilicueta doesnt play for us either
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08 Aug 2012 20:36:51
Edison Cvani - for 35m
Hulk - for 40m
whom u will prefer guys.......
i will go for cavani!!
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Cavani all day long
trueblue012
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Cavani ,hulk is over priced and over rated!
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08 Aug 2012 20:01:20
seems again Edison Cvani rumors r coming up......so if d deal goes on then we will have two world class strikers
inform of F. Torres and E dison Cavani.
Most of d times we have seen in past that we just played one striker at a time n may b we makeshift second striker as a winger.
It will be interesting if torres n cavani to play together as strikers.....
how will u like guys....
playing in more natural 4-4-2 formation
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ivanovic-----luiz----------terry------cole
------------ramires------oscar------------
--mata----------------------------hazard--
--------------cavani----torres--------------
well i would like so....
what u think guys?
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Haha u said we have an inform Torres. Funniest post I've seen in a while.
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I do like it but i've never seen mata on the right.
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Norwich (first game, first goal)
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I'd switch hazard and mata otherwise I like it.
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Mata can play on both wings
sam
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Hazard seems to be a similar player to Neymar, I'd expect Oscar to get on well with him, so I'd keep them on the same side of the field. It appears the left is favourable.
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Inform torres ,youve been playing far too much fifa son
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Read the post again, 'inform of' should read 'in the form of'. Funny how we're quick to ridicule, yet can work out what the poster meant.
“It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it.”
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Cavani doesnt play for us ner ner
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08 Aug 2012 19:32:03
Moura has moved to psg now we can move on from tht sh*t.... N move on now concentrate on the players we have!
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08 Aug 2012 19:22:29
This is just throwing a team out there to see what you guys think...
-----------------Cech-------------------
Ivanovic------Terry------Luiz--------Cole
---------Lampard---------Mikel----------
-------------------Mata-----------------
------------Oscar---------Hazard--------
-------------------Torres----------------
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I would be getting rid of mikel for ramires
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I want mikel to leave
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08 Aug 2012 17:33:58
hi are we interested in L.Damiao , we should get him hi is amazing and better then torres
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08 Aug 2012 17:09:47
Why did we ever spend 50m on El Nino rather then Neymar?
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Because form is temporary, class is permanent? El Niño was proven in the EPL too
CFCFOREVER!
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Because torres was our best player last year
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Im torres' biggest fan but even i know that's b.s, there at least 3 players that were better than him mata (player of the year) ivanovic (close second) and ramires
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Atleast ur honest trueblue cole was aswell. but the rest werent everone else was average last year. BLUEBOY1
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Torres seems to get all the stick, because our passing is too slow. When a pass is made, the player in possession has seconds to make a pass of the window of opportunity closes. The result is often a sideways or backwards pass. Watch Torres when a midfielder gets the ball, he'll move to create space, but the player will take a couple touches, the gap will close and the direction gets changed. Then the question is asked why Torres doesn't move well, its because he reads the game better than most our midfielders and would end up running around aimlessly if he continued trying to create space.
We now have players that with move, pass and look to take on players which will create more space and opportunities.
Torres had a good few assists as he had to seek out the ball often wide or in midfield to even get a touch.
It's funny how the strikers we're the ones assisting the midfielders as opposed to the other way round?
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08 Aug 2012 17:08:42
Ivanovic to me is underated as a RB and overated as a CB .
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I can see wat ur saying BLUEBOY1
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Completely agree. I don't feel secure when he plays CB, but RB is a different story.
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08 Aug 2012 17:05:46
I think Oscar will be Chelsea's best buy ever..Just sorry we wasted 50m on Torres and didn't spend it on Falcao and Cavani at the time!
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To be honest torres has been with us since we started gettin rubbish even drogs aint scored many. torres will nw haz, mar & oscar r coming
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The sending off at wolves hit torres last season, he would have gone on to get a hatrick, after that it hit his goal scoring form, but he was still great
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You mean swansea? i was there lol unless he got sent off again? cuz iwasnt thr in tht case lol BLUEBOY1
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Turning point for us was when wilkins was sacked 2 seasons ago... hopefully last year was rock bottom (in the league at least) and we're on the way up now
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When you say turning point i assume you mean in a bad way
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08 Aug 2012 16:48:14
Alright Chaps,
I thought i'd just like to put this formation forward. I'm not saying this should be the formation for next season, im just seeing the reaction to it.
---------------Cech----------------
Apzilicueta--Cahill--Terry--Cole
---Ramires--------Essien--------
-------------Oscar-----------------
---------Hazard--Mata-----------
-------------Torres-----------------
So a kinda diamond between Torres, Hazard, Mata and Oscar. I thought this would be effective, just because Oscar is at the center of it all and can dictate the play which he is best at. Also with Mata and Hazard playing half each in the number 10 position they both can influence the game.
Whats your thoughts?
PR!
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Hazard should be on the left and both Hazard and Mata should be encouraged to go wider.
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You forgot Ivanovic.
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Well same players apart from ivanovic n place of cesar azplicueta.
Should be more diamond shaped.....
---------------------cech--------------------
ivanovic-----cahill--------j. terry------cole
------ramires----------------essein---------
-------------------oscar---------------------
---J. mata-----------------------hazard---
-----------------F. Torres------------------
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Change Essien for lamps or Mikel and luiz at the back that's our side.
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Why swap for lampard or mikel when they cant pass the ball quick enough which will make hazard, marin, oscar suffer. people will disagree but its true facts! the longer they jold the ball in midfield and pass side to side the quicker hazard, marin, oscar & torres will get marked out the game. BLUEBOY1
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French football experts will tell you all hazard plays best behind the striker, and although he can play as a winger he signed for chelsea to be a number 10
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08 Aug 2012 16:26:49
already love oscar cos he's trying to get neymar to join us... what a great lad
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08 Aug 2012 15:40:58
What has happened with Walcott? Everything seems to of gone quiet on that front. I highly rate him. I know there will be some doubters and haters but its just my opinion. He will cost more than Moses but I think he will be a much better recruit. Hes still only young, unbelievably pacy and can finish (most times). He knows the prem inside out and would fit perfectly into the team as a right winger. However he isn't that versatile. He will cost around 20mil which is much less than Hulk (40mil give or take) but Hulk has been proven to play as an out and out Striker. If we were to buy Hulk we would have two positions covered (RW & ST) so therefore we wouldn't need to waste another 30mil+ on a Striker i.e. Falcao, Cavani etc. This sounds all very confusing but hopefully at least one person will understand it.
Thanks, RT
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I personally don't think there was ever anything substantial in regards to Walcott, except maybe him being a name that fits the description of 'homegrown'.
LJ
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Finish most times? What games have you been watching mate?
CFCFOREVER!
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08 Aug 2012 14:48:26
Well seems most of d guys here are you tube fans. They watch a video of a player who is linked with us which is always impressive as it only shows good side of a player and then comes here and comment that we require that player desperately.
Hulk seems many of you are very much fan of hulk. He is good player and will be good addition but look at the price which we might require to pay 40m.
Ahhh for such a huge amount of 40m we can surely find better talents than him.
He can play on right wing or as a striker. He is already 26yrs old and after playing 3-4 seasons with us if do not work for us and if we deciede to sell him we are not going to get back the money we invested on him.
I have seen him play many times for porto and now in olympic he looks decent but not a standout performer for whom we should spend 35-40m.
Reallistically we are linked right now with victor moses/hulk/schurle for right wing/striker position.
whom u will like....
hulk - for 40m
victor moses - for 10m
andre schurle - for 25m
Some of d guys thinks that if the price tag is less means d player is not good enough.
We r getting moses in less dan 10m, just beacause he is in last year of his contract and d player himself is inetrested in joing us. If this wouldnt be d situation then he might have cost us 15-20m.
Guys pls do not make mistakes that if transfer fee is less means the player wont b gud enough
i just wanna put an example....
3 yrs before real madrid paid 60m fees for kaka
and a yr later means 2 yrs before
real madrid paid 16m for ozil
now look at both ozil and kaka.
Ozil is always d first name on team sheet way ahead of expensive kaka.
Victor Moses is young just 21yrs old and looks gud though has not developed fully.
I am going in for Victor Moses.....
may b u guys wl have different opinions...
samrat
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The start of your post with the youtube comment is confusing as well as disrespectful because the players you chose to use as examples were already highly regarded by clubs, scouts and fans when they were bought. Fans have nothing to do with a player's valuation and that valuation is generally based on the players production(stats) and current form along with some type of future projection. Some fans, like myself, prefer the eye test but use stats and other factors like strength of competition...etc With very very few exceptions, every buy is a bit of a gamble and sometimes a player's success is based on how he is used(system) and the pieces around him. It seems to me ur argument is simply, don't buy an expensive, established (possibly older) star player but instead go for a cheaper, younger player with potential and develop him into a star.
FloridaCFCFan
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Florida you gt it spot on my friend! wheres the best places to visit in the USA? lol i know off topic but i wanna go cali & florida, what other states are good? texas? illinois? NY? BLUEBOY1 {Ed018's Note - Ohio is pretty nice}
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Do not go to texas, the rocky mountains of colorado is nice if your into that kind of thing
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08 Aug 2012 13:42:59
Where has this idea that Lampard is a holding midfielder? He is an attacker through and through and will be a bit part player this year with oscar or mata replacing him as our focus point,
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Its come from the fact that gerrard has moved into a deeper role for liverpool the last few seasons and seeing as lamps plays in a similar position it is thought that he could possibly take up that role for us as he's a little old and therefore a bit slower than he was, but still technically very good
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Lampard can play anywhere in midfield he's good in scoring,passing,defending,dribbling only thing thats not on his side atm. is his age!
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Lampard and to be fair to the guy I love him, is too greedy to be a deep lying midfielder, he isn't the same player as Gerrard and I don't believe he will play anywhere but the middle of the attacking 3 players!
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Lampards side to side passing is good more like the old chelsea way. time to move on sorry to say.
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Lamps doesn't have the legs to be a box to box player so he can sit deep and pick his battles on when to push forward which is why he plays defensive.
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08 Aug 2012 12:24:28
My Chelsea xi-
....................Cech......................
.Ivanovic.....Terry.........Luiz.....Cole.
.............Lampard......Mikel.............
....Ramires.........Oscar.........Hazard..
.......................Torres...................
Subs: Azpilicueta, Cahill, Essien, Mata, Schurrle, Moses.
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Ur leaving mata out. Some fans.....
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Mata on the bench? Come on fella your making yourself look like a real dilfnard.
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Thats a cracking team and bench, only Change I would make is of fit is Essien for Mikel.
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Ramires on the wing? Mata on the bench?
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How on earth has Mata not got into the team? Did he not do enough to impress last season?
RD11
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Mata on the bench WTF and Marin not even on the bench
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Mata not in the team is a bit wierd but where would he go? I haven't seen him on the right in a while and play well, and replacing Oscar with him would just be a bit pointless...
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Should be...
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Ivanovic, Terry, Luiz, Cole
Ramires, Mikel
Oscar, Mata, Hazard
Torres
Doesn't really matter where we put the 3 behind Torres as they will constantly rotate and be given free roles. I do however think Terry will be paired with Ivanovic once Azpilicueta has settled
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Lol im an Arsenal fan and even I can say Mata is one of the best in the league and u bench him? And where is Marin?
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Oscar is a better player then mata
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Imo
Cech
Ivanovic Luiz/Cahill Terry Cole
Ramires Lampard
Oscar Mata Hazard
Torres
Subs: A keeper(not sure who)
Either Luiz/Cahill
Azpilecta(sorry for spelling)/Betrand
Essien/Mikel/Romeu
Marin/Mchearnan
Sturidge/Piazon/Moses
All opinion and i added Moses/Aziplecta because we will likely sign em ;)
JMJW
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I think Essien will be starter with Lampard.
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The worst thing is mikel! would he get in at city, united, barca, munich or madrid? no! u wanna knw y? because he aint gd enough so y in the chelsea team?
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08 Aug 2012 12:11:31
This is whats happening.
- Cesar Azpilicueta is close to signing for us and we can expect to see the deal done soon. He will replace Bosingwa in the squad, acting as a second in line to the likes of Ivanovic. This seem like a pointless signing however, in times like the Champions league when there are injury and suspensions then he will be very important just like Bosingwa wa this year.
- Victor Moses is also close to signing and will be similar in price to Cesar and his role in the squad will also be similar. He will play as a striker or winger and will be a substitute to Torres or maybe one of the attacking midfielders. Some may be saying that this is a bit silly as we already have Sturridge to be a substitute for Torres but there have been many rumours of him leaving which I can see happening if we do get Moses.
- Schurlle might sign for us soon however, if he does in this window he will be a late signing. His club are reluctant to sell him and will make it difficult for us to sign him. There have been many rumours about a bid of £25million and he will be a 'replacement' for Drogba. He looks good and I would like to see him in the squad.
- Alvaro Pereira is one that has popped up as another signing. He is a full-back and would perhaps be a back up for Terry. Despite Terry getting on a bit he is magnificent especially last season and definitley gets on well with Luiz and Cahill as a partnership. So the 26 year old Pereira would probably be loaned out to someone until we need him or perhaps Cahill will- despite having a great season. The fullback was intially priced at £30million but his valuation has been recentley halved to £15million. It looks like a good deal and one we should look at. I'm just throwing this one out there to see what people think so please leave a comment to let me know what you think of him. {Ed002's Note - Azpilicueta will be first choice at right back. Pereira is a left back not a centre back.}
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Oops, what will happen to ivanovic? {Ed002's Note - At the moment it looks like he is staying.}
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What would his role be? {Ed002's Note - To play football when asked.}
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08 Aug 2012 11:48:33
What would your teams be for sunday?
Mine is..
Cech
Ivanovic...Cahill...Luiz...Cole
Mikel...Lampard
Ramires...Hazard...Marin
Torres
I left out mata purely as he has played non stop football for the past year and if he misses this game he'll be better against Wigan.
EdinBlues
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I agree with the rest of your team but you should swap lampard and ramires and put marin or hazard on the right
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Putting Ramires in the wing is a waste.
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Put ramires where lampard is, hazard where ramires is and lampard where hazard is.
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Very defensive i agree totally with your line-up ..if we win the shield it will already give us a huge boost by showing we are better then last seasons champions and we can win the league
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08 Aug 2012 10:54:53
Im not particularly sure where Neymar would play in our squad if we were to get him... Could someone create a Chelsea xi with him in it, because im guessing he would be in it if we had him.
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--------cech--------
Azpilicueta-Luiz-Terry-Cole
---Oscar---Ramires
Hazard--Mata--Neymar
-----Torres----
Or alternatively replace Torres with Neymar and either move Oscar into the three, or put Marin in. There are a lot of alternatives.
I do not believe we will sign him though.
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I dont think neymar will sign for chelsea but if he did that front 6 would be out of this world, IMO
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You are crazy man we can't just throw all of our players forward if unless we are dominating the league like Barcelona in past seasons..really in time we can play more attacking football but for now just be solid!
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08 Aug 2012 08:31:04
Team GB hockey player James Tindall thinks that the atmosphere at the Olympic hockey stadium is better than at Stamford Bridge, where he is a season ticket holder.
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To be honest the west & east stand annoy me. i sat west stand once v man city, essien come back from injury scored the only goal of the game. people behind me kept telling me to sit down or shut up never agai swear. BLUEBOY1
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I think roy keane covered this at manc u when he mentioned the prawn sandwich brigade we have them too its all about money here
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08 Aug 2012 07:50:24
Lads wots the chances of getting hulk! Think he could really add something to the team!
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I think he is a decent player, but at the price Porto want he is surely well overpriced.
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I like hulk. play on the right or up front just what we need. we could do with a big powerfull player. afterall mata marin hazard are all 5ft 6 ish. BLUEBOY1
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Dont get me wrong i really wanted Hulk to join and still want him too but recently when ive watched him live in the olympics he hasnt impressed me much. I know we need a striker and Hulk is more of a right winger. I think instead we should get Moses plus a Striker. Moses looks like he's signing now anyway which could mean the end of the Hulk interest.
We should seriously look at Leandro Damiao who has actually impressed not only me but many people which is clear given the amount of goals he has scored.
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Porto are only willing to sell for about £60million which is way to much. Chelsea want him for about £35million, if we were going to sign him then Porto would have to seriously lower their valuations as Zenit st Petersburg have bid £40million and they are likely to reject that great offer. The issue is the contract buy out clause which is £80million which was their original valuation of the player. They will accept around £60million at a push but Chelsea's offer is just too little for them. Chelsea just cannot see the point in negotiating and so it will be unlikely we or anyone else will get him anytime soon.
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He is available for £40m, but Chelsea don't want to go above £32.5m.
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I think we agreed a price for around 32 million, but Chelsea wanted Porto to pay the third party, but Porto thought Chelsea should pay it that's where it got lost. BLUEBOY1
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08 Aug 2012 00:43:02
oscar looks quite a player i think we just found ourselves a future star
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08 Aug 2012 00:07:38
Got tickets to the Olympic football final. Going to do a banner about Oscar. What should it say?
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Welcome to chelsea oscar
then put underneath : european champions 11/12
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And the Oscar goes to Chelsea
European Champions 2011/12
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07 Aug 2012 23:49:42
Lukaku is the new emile heskey a waste of money and a panic buy
{Ed018's Note - he's 19. give him a few years}
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The bloke who wrote this is an absolute tit! He played like 4 times last season, and tbf did all right in pre-season, got a couple of goals, in my opinion, he needs to go out on a half season loan with the review of and extension
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I saw him play a couple of times (live) and i was fairly impressed, he is so young and will only get better. He has all the physical attributes you need as a striker, pace, power good in the air, and he has a fearsome shot on him.
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I agree totally with Ed. He is only 19 so will only grow with experience. I do think he should be loaned out this season but he will come good soon with all the creative players around him.
RT
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07 Aug 2012 23:45:15
After seeing hazard in pre season games aka joe cole clone Oscar looks twice the player What a great buy
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Oscar looks real good, but ur a mug if ur judging hazard by his first few outings in pre season.. And what was wrong with joe? Such a classy player for us, he just got so unlucky with injuries.
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I cannot believe yo just slated hes here hes theit hes every fkin where joey cole.
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