Chelsea Banter Archive December 07 2012

07 Dec 2012 22:22:26
Just heard a rumour from Chelsea rumours on that frank lampard has signed a contract till 2014. Great news if its true.
Paulcfc

07 Dec 2012 16:13:57
Apparently if we win world club cup and Europa league this yrs we will be first team EVER to win every major trophy possible, that's enough for me to really take Europa seriously and win it

Europa League is a tournament formerly known as Cup Winner's Cup, which Chelsea has won, already, more than a decade ago. Also the Atletico game in Monaco which we lost this year, and is also sort of a cup, we have won after winning our only Cup Winners Cup. So the only one missing is a World Club Championship trophy. Get it - and we are there.

JG

Lucky I said apparently then and not fact hey

Europa league replaced the uefa cup, the CWC was scrapped before well before

Blue john

Is it not formally known as the UEFA Cup? UEFA got rid of the Cup Winners Cup prior to the UEFA Cup becoming the Europa League.

Surewould

Cup Winners Cup, then UEFA Cup, then Europa League. Difference between those are as big as a difference between a Carling Cup and a Capital One Cup.

In essence it's just a second most important UEFA international club competition. Second, but not totaly obscure, like say Intertoto. Which is scraped by now, too.

JG

No, the uefa cup and cup winners cup ran alongside each other, along with the champs league giving three euro competitions. Cup winners cup scrapped, uefa cup later replaced. Totally different


Blue john

Look - cup winners cup winner used to play champions cup winner at the end of August in Monaco for a European Super Cup. CWC used to be second most important club competition in Europe. Same as now the winner of Europa League plays the winner of CL.

Europa League is another fail, which will most likely be scrapped by UEFa sooner, rather than later. No we have not won the Europa League, as we have never played in it. But yes we have won the second UEFA competition.

JG

Cup Winners Cup was the second most important competition? No it wasn't! Why would you scrap the second most important competition and change the format of, what you're saying, was the third most important competition?

Cup Winners Cup was the original jokers competition of Europe - that's why it was scrapped.

This is a ridiculous discussion to be having on here but honestly, some people have just got to hold their hands up when they're wrong about something!

^^^^^^
Surewould

Where do they find you geniuses. How about you google Cup Winners cup for a change.

JG

Googled it - didn't say, "Europa League is a tournament formerly known as Cup Winner's Cup". Should I be looking somewhere else? Unless you're taking about the information you took from Wikipedia about the Cup Winners Cup being the second most prestigious competition? Wikipedia, as we all know, can be updated by anyone and is deffo 100% correct all of the time!!

Surewould {Ed002's Note - The Europa League replaced the Cup Winners Cup and the UEFA Cup (Fairs Cup). Why is this so difficult?}

At last. Thank you much Ed002.

JG

07 Dec 2012 14:48:11
Benzema 40m?

Too much, dont rate him for that kind of money. Maybe £20-25mil tops.

What difference does it make to you, your not paying.

ktbffh

What an person response ktbffh, its the carefree spending like that which has ruined the game. No wonder other fans have a go at clubs like Chelsea when this is the kind of attitude is taken into the transfer market. Just what has Benzema done to be worth £40mil?

08 Dec 2012 04:52:47
He's scoring just as much as Torres, maybe even fewer. He was in the Euro 2012 when FT9 won the golden boot.

3 words...Torres, fifty, million...

Noname why have i got more agrees than disagrees currently 5-1 dont take it so personally,only saying your not paying, so what does it matter what we pay and dont hide behind anonymity,put up a name to be shot at like me and others,because it makes you the person by not doing it.

07 Dec 2012 14:04:04
It's being well rumoured that Ancelotti's job at PSG is at risk. If Mourinho did leave Madrid for PSG, would any of you have Ancelotti back? Well, I definitely would, the man has a brilliant football mind and is a true gentleman. Chances of it happening, is zero, purely because of the way the club dismissed him in such a poor manner.

This manager firing cobblers, is going to damage the future of the club, and will put off the top managers coming to us.

Our next manager has to be a long term solution, and must must must be given time.

PR!

It looks like Gaurdiola wont be joining cant say I am surprised. Mourinho would be the best possible outcome but I think it is a long shot.
I would be happy to see Ancelotti back I thought he was the one manager since Jose who looked like he could bring us consistent success.
He was unlucky in his 2nd season with injuries to key players like Lampard terry essien and Drogba.
Also letting Ballack and Carvalho go that summer and not bringing in adequate replacements undermined him and Wilkins getting sacked all made it very difficult for him, I think the club were nieve to get rid of him then and we have been 2nd best ever since.
DP

Cant see any of those managers joining, ancelotti and mourinho wont come back because it would require abramovich accepting he made a mistake. I wouldnt mind someone like Frank Rijkaard if im honest and i think he would come as Chelsea is a bigger role than saudi arabia.

As far as ancelloti goes he pretty much said working for roman was an impossible task so I don't see much there.

Tk

07 Dec 2012 12:54:27
Jan 2013
Cech
A.Cole Lb
J.Terry Cb
G.Cahill Cb
C.Azicupulueta Rb
Paulhino CDM
Romeu CDM
Hazard AM
MATA AM
Oscar AM
Torres or Remy ST if not Lukaku

August 2013
Courtois
Bertrand Lb
Luiz Cb
Cahill Cb
Wallace Rb
Romeu CDM
Paulhino CDM
Hazard AM
Oscar Am
Mata Am
Falcao/or Cavani St

You think Wallace will be a first teamer within a few months of arriving, and Azpillicueta will just warm the bench? He is 18, and a very bright prospect, but I'm doubtful he will be a starter next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see him loaned out personally.

Also Remy? Have you seen him play this year? Terrible to say the least. I don't even think interest from Chelsea remains, could be wrong but from what I've gathered bids will be made for both Schurrle and Bony in January, aswell as either Falcao or Cavani, dependant on whether their clubs will play ball.

Not having a crack mate, just reckon you're off the mark.

Melbourne CFC {Ed002's Note - The man behind the move tells me that Wallace will arrive in the summer but needs to effectively be retrained in defending. He is very much one for the long term.}

Thanks for that Ed002, he does very much seem a raw prospect. Very good on the ball, great pace and attacking ability but I can't say I've heard of him dominating defensively, so that doesn't come as a huge surprise. I guess that rules out the possibility of an initial loan next year? Thanks again

Melbourne CFC {Ed002's Note - I would doubt a loan would help him settle either.}

07 Dec 2012 13:49:22
Melbourne cfc a bid for bony i can understand but for schrulle i cant. Dont get me wrong i think.he will become great player and his long range shots are amazing. But from.what i have seen and that is not a lot he seems more of winger/secondary striker and i think we need some one who can lead the line... In your opinion do you think he can become that player?

I dont see how you can't understand a bid for Schurrle, when multiple bids were already made in August...? I realise he is more suited as a left winger, but these season he has been playing the lone striker role at Leverkusen for a large portion. I think with the players he would have behind him at Chelsea he could be immense. Think of it more as a false 9. Dropping back and opening up space for Mata, Hazard and Oscar. He also has great technical ability for the quick one two passing would be second nature. He has ability to play off the last defenders shoulder and make extremely clever runs between and behind the lines. He would be a terrific acquisition IMO and much better than Bony.

Bony is more of a Didier Drogba esque player, without the height and first touch. He is very strong but not very technically gifted. Although I'm unsure he would be able to bully defenders in the EPL like he does in Holland. He has a powerful shot on him, but lacks real pace and his ability to make clever runs is questionable. He is a great striker in a lower quality league but think he would find it much much harder in the prem.

All in all I think Schurrle would fit our new system (our attempted system) to a tee. Technically he is what we need, whereas, although I think Bony could do well, he wouldn't complement the players we have.

Melbourne CFC

07 Dec 2012 14:22:13
Thanks mate..... I know multiple bids were made but i was thinking he would not be able to lead the line... i havnt seen him play much.... But the amount of confidence you while talkinh about him i hope we get him... And if we could get falcao/cavani and schrulle it would be amazing....
I also have same concerns with bony i think he can be good plan b if we want to play and put balls in the box.
Manali cfc

That's the thing Manali, in all possibility he will be used more as a second choice after the season (if we get him in Jan) and also used as cover on the left. Once/if Falcao/Cavani come in, they will most certainly be first choice. But I think with the type of pass and move mixed with tika taka football we are striving for he would be an excellent signing. So much technical ability, which is previlant in Germany. I just hope Taison ends up at Leverkusen in January, so that they are willing to let him go.

Melbourne CFC

07 Dec 2012 14:52:11
Ya hope they get a replacement andwe get him... And for next season if we have these strikers we will strike fear into other teams and i am really waiting to see a pivot of romeou and de bryune and oscar in front of them.. With these three we can dominate midfield and may be another dm but it looks good
Manali cfc

Where is Luis Suarez? :S

I don't really understand the bids for Schurle. He's more of a Roomey type. Shoots from deep, like a midfielder, does not play physical. He is certainly not a lone striker. He ain't even a striker in the first place. He would be a great player. But not for Chelsea.

JG

We really don't need a 'False 9'. The 3 behind the striker do all the playmaking. We just need someone to hold the ball up when needed, run in behind, make intelligent runs, and PUT THE BALL IN THE BACK OF THE NET.

Tim

That is we need Cavani, Tim

JG

08 Dec 2012 15:38:49
I didn't say he was a traditional lone striker, he has just been playing a one at times for Leverkusen this season. The only reasons I can see for this, is because of 1) his extremely intelligent runs 2) his ability to put the ball in the back of the net.

I also don't think we need to play a system with a 'false 9', however if Schurrle is brought in, this is where he would be used most effectively. On quick breaks he can make runs past the defensively line and receive the ball in a one v one situation, due to our attacking mids ability to pass. During build up play he can drop back, receive the ball and make space for the attacking mids. Something which is extremely important JG, no matter if you think we just need someone to hold up play, make runs and score.

To break down teams that 'park the bus' it is not simple to just hold up the ball, bring others into play and get a clear cut shot off. We need an intelligent striker that can make space for our genius mids, something Barca do extremely well against teams that 'park the bus'. If you haven't realised we often suffer from teams getting 10 men behind the ball and holding shape. Unless you have a moment of extreme brilliance you can often find yourself having a lot of build up play with no end product. With a player coming towards the mids to receive the ball, and creating pockets in behind them, players with top class passing ability can pick a man out running into that space more times than not.

He isn't my first choice, but he would be an excellent option IMO.

Melbourne CFC

07 Dec 2012 09:09:36
Is this new wallace guy any good i have my doubts he is for the same acamady that produced the might fabio and rafael (manutd,QPR) and he is allready told to be simular in playing style

There is a club called Newell Old Boys in Argentina. It is in a town called Rosario, bloody gorgeous little town in central(ish) Argentina about a 6-8 hr drive from Buenas Aires. Now this small club once had a player by the name of Lionel Messi play with their youth team, I'm sure you've heard stories of him. Some say he is the greatest player ever. Shall we just sign their entire youth set up, as because Messi is such an incredible player, the kids that play their now must also be destined for greatness, yes? This is the logic you have used to judge our new RB Wallace. Yes I know the rest of Messi story, just making a point.

Wallace is an extremely talented fullback, has pace, great vision and passing, and has the potential to be a world beater. He was not bought to play from the outset, but you don't just pass on incredible prospects because you currently don't have a spot in your starting XI for them. He was valued at £10m, as an 18yo. That should say enough about his ability!

Melbourne CFC

07 Dec 2012 08:42:05
While the unamed jerks are attacking ed002 what do the regulars think lineup and scorewill be, I'm hoping for...

Cech
Az Ivan Cahill cole
ROMEU LUIZ
Moses Oscar mata
Torres

RAMIRES needs a rest

I'm going for 3 nill or 2 nill

Billy

If put Oscar alongside Luiz and put hazard in as he was brilliant on Wednesday night, Torres to carry on we're he left off, 4-0

I'm going for

Cech
Azpi Cahill Luiz Cole
Ramires Oscar
Marin Mata Hazard
Torres

Score should be a comfortable 2-0 win

aL

07 Dec 2012 10:23:08
I want to see this......
Cech
Azpili, Ivan, Luiz, Cole
Romeu, Oscar
Moses, Mata, Hazard
Torres

DJ

Why not this?4-3-2-1

Cech

Azpil.-Cahill-Luiz-Cole

-----Romeu---
Ramires-Oscar

Mata-Hazard
---Torres----

07 Dec 2012 05:01:14
Seriously, what is te point in ed02?? All he/she says is, read the posts or I have no interest in discussing that, you could probably train a monkey to do the same job! {Ed002's Note - Sorry, I have written thousands and thousands of answers to inane questions for unappreciative motherf*uckers like you. I give my time for nothing whereas you are some anonymous cocks*cking troll who should not even be allowed access to the internet. You are exactly the reason why support to the page will likely get withdrawn during the transfer window.}

Another no name halfwit. You guys don't get it do you? The editors on this site volunteer their time, and knowledge. Go have a look at the United page, they hardly give abuse and the information they get is first class. We get spoilt for information from Ed002, and in the past it was ridiculous the amount of 100% info we would get. Now, due to f*ckwits like you, Ed002 doesn't seem to enjoy working the Chelsea page... Too many fickle, abusive children that know nothing about the club, and offer nothing to the page, yet spend their time abusing people who are ITK, that volunteer their time for the benefit of the genuine, decent posters.

It's poster like this that take the enjoyment of the page away from the regulars, and mean we get drip feed info in the windows as Ed002 cops abuse left right and centre and decides not to help out on the page (fair enough to). Neck up you parrot and crawl back into your hole.

Ed002 please don't let the few dimwits cost the many on the page that rely on your knowledge and are extremely grateful for your time. I know I speak for all the regulars when I say your a downright star and we appreciate you!!

Melbourne CFC

Well said , I guess my reply didn't come through because of all the rude words,

Billy

ED002,its a shame you cant give me that (un!-$ address i would go over and beat him to death with a hammer for you!

champagne charlie {Ed002's Note - Thye worse thing being is the Arsenal answers O have.}

Ed 002 when i swear you put" rubbish" or" persons" in place of my swear words,but as you was 100% correct in your summing up of this bell end i think it only fit to let it pass on this occasion. {Ed002's Note - It is the swearometer man. Not unlike you and Jimmy Saville giust heading to the beach tohethenr.}

Ed002 just ban these people from the site..... quicker they are gone the better. Really appreciate what you do for us. No one is perfect but you are generally spot on. Thanks for your time and don't let a few AS*HOLE* ruin it for all of us!!!

Eric CFC4LIFE {Ed002's Note - Cute.}

To many jds and coke me thinks ed with that typing

07 Dec 2012 05:06:18
question for you guys ... would you rather win the europa league with our full strength team or go far but mainly play our youngsters? to be honest I would rather have the latter - give players a chance for first team action and us as fans to see them play whilst the senior players can get more rest

Vincent

It depends Vincent, I'd certainly say give the youth a run, but only if our league form is good. I don't want to not care about the Europa and have the team out of the top 4 aswell. I reckon we are on for 3rd in the league though so I'd go with youth.

Melbourne CFC

100% give the youth a run. Should bring Feruz and Piazon into the squad, play Sturridge and give Romeu a run of games. Bertrand should also get a few starts at ledt back and hopefully Marin in a wide position.

PB

07 Dec 2012 10:38:24
My team in europa cup

Cech
Azpili, Cahill, Ivan, Bartrand
Mikel, Oscar
Marin, Piazon, Moses
Feruz

DJ

I think we should go out to win it.

I'm not convinced a significant amount of the youth players are ready for the step up to European competition, apart from Piazon and perhaps Ake. I think we need to realise that most of our best prospects are out on loan and mostly doing well (Courtois, Kalas, Chalobah, McEachran, De Bruyne, The Kraken (Lukaku), there are more.

Us fans need to stop being obsessed by playing our youth players in senior games. If they're good enough, they'll play, for now they're doing fine where they are. Honestly, our under 21 side isn't that great, playing them against a Zenit or Atletico would be like sending lambs for the slaughter.

Tim