Chelsea Banter Archive June 06 2012
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06 Jun 2012 22:20:43
Apparently d agony n torment of jersey no 17 r stil so fresh in my memory. Methink it's not a good one for Hazard, it could b anoda Bosingwa! Celestyn.
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Everyone said that about ramires taking number 7 BLUEBOY1
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Can this person actually learn punctuation?
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How could hazard possibly be another bosingwa
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06 Jun 2012 22:13:23
Torres will be our main center forward with hazard on left and hulk (possibly) on right. In case of injury to torres or a suspension or ban hulk can move center. i have a doubt that we would be short of backup strikers. Considering the fact that sturrigde has reservations while playing on right and might sulk if kept on bench. He will ask for first team striker role because his england selection depends on that. In that case if chelsea do not play him, he might move on. So the question here is, who will be our 3rd choice striker. Surely he needs to be guy who is well experienced, doesn,t mind sitting on bench and doesn't care for national team selection. Your thoughts ed 002 on this?
Kings xi punjab chelsea brisbane roar
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Let sturridge go simple as
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06 Jun 2012 20:47:36
Just looked under my bed and found The Sun, Daily Star, Daily Mirror and The Guardian newspapers. All from the 20th May. Wonder why i bought all 4 from the same day? ;-)
OsgoodIsKing
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Going to be worth some money
Two reasons that wonderous CL win and.....The 20th was a Sunday!!
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Like it lol
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06 Jun 2012 20:09:07
just a thought, what song will Hazard be singing in front of his new team mates? Going on what we've heard my money's on Kenny Rogers - I Am The Greatest :P
PieZ
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Perhaps the boys will teach him We are the champion's.
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06 Jun 2012 20:06:10
who thinks we can retain champions league next season??
we will deffo have the squad for it lets hope they gel quick enough
curt
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Unlikely we'll win again but so was beating barca. Also I hope if we make it to the final it's not a penno shoot out again.
I might get a heart attack
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Lol yer i nearly had a heart attack this time round (celebrating drogs goal also nearly gave me one) maybe should cut down on the alcohol and fatty foods .... ok maybe just the fatty foods
curt
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06 Jun 2012 19:48:43
who else would love for the new manager to bring steve clarke back?
Vincent
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06 Jun 2012 17:33:58
Anybody knows when the pre-season tour starts?
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I think it starts on the 18th July and there are four games; Seattle sounders, PSG, MLS all stars and AC Milan.
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Think its wednesday 25th july but am not sure mate.Terry
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18th to the 28th, Seattle sounders, psg, mls all stars, and ac Milan BLUEBOY1
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06 Jun 2012 15:24:47
Milner, Van der Viel, G Johnson, Ayew, Falcoa, Walker, Dembele, Hulk, Lucas and Pedro all rumoured people set to be joining Chelsea which ones are genuingly true Ed? {Ed002's Note - Try reading the posts.}
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Where have you got ayem pedro milner and johnson from ? and lucas has stated he wont leave brazil until 2014 and even then it will probably be for real madrid
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Won't mind any of them but dembele
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Why not dembele hes a good player
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06 Jun 2012 15:20:03
heard a very big rumour that Joe Cole is about to come back to the bridge for a cut price of 2 million is there any truth on this ed? and would everyone else be happy to have him back? {Ed002's Note - Twitter I guess?}
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If you'll pay £50m for Torres surely you will stump up £20m for Cole?
Puzzled
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Lol @ 20 mill for joe cole
curt
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Nah puzzled you guys need Joe. He would be a lot of help in your teams fight to finish top ten ,plus you know he's a whole lot better than that waste of space you guys spent 20mil on, what's his name again..... Erm ..... No not Henderson, I know he is just as bad but not him, the one that has a stat of 0 goal and 0 assist last season? That's right Downing. Great signing wouldn't you say?
ELI
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Have you not been on the Liverpool page recently? Ther think theyre gonna be playing 'tika - taka' football and dominate like Barcelona from now on. I recommend it for anyone who needs a laugh.
CT13
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I knew downing was bad but i didnt realise he was that bad thought he scored once last season looks like i was wrong
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Lol Liverpool dominate Barcelona. They can't even dominate mersyside
Chackers 97
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Guess what Liverpool's owner has realised Liverpool ONLY have history and is going to invest £100m+ for a top ten finish
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Didn't they just spend nearly that much on carroll, downing, henderson and suarez and they still didn't get into europe.
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06 Jun 2012 14:28:17
Juan Mata is a class players the only thing is Chelsea are at their best playing the 4-3-3 and he can only play on the wings then..While he is the best in the middle but can't as he has to defend swell with the 4-3-3 don't get me wrong he's brilliant just don't think he fits in at chelsea with Hazard now coming in swell...Hes ok on the wings not bad but we have better.
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Thats why we'll probably play a 4-2-3-1 with hazard on the left and mata in the middle.
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Mata doesn't fit in now Hazard is here? Would u offer kalou a new contract and play him with Hazard and leave Mata on the bench? Crazy crazy! In a 4-2-3-1 I have no doubt Mata and Hazard can play together, add Hulk to that and u have a mobile interchanging front 3 behind Nando. Sounds like a dream not a problem to me. Maybe it won't work but let the manager worry about that.
Marley
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No mate here's my starting xi:
Cech
VDW-Cahill-Terry-Cole
---------Romeu---------
--Ramires------Lampard
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REASONING BEHIND 4-2-3-1:
The 4-2-3-1 was implemented with a defensive mindset needed to stop losing games and be hard to beat(was a defensive strategy to grind out results)The only reason this formations was played is it allows your players to play a little bit deeper and break on the counter
ATTACKING PLAYERS IN A DEFENSIVE LINEUP:
How do all of you listing your teams in the 4-2-3-1 defensive formation with players that are quality attacking players expect them to perform to the top level if they are constantly behind the ball?they have to be in their best attacking positions you can't just draw up a xi on what looks good on paper!
IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE MATA:
Cech
VDW-Cahill-Terry-Cole
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---Ramires-----------
------------------Hazard
Hulk--------------Mata
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This is what you can do with Hazard and Mata rotating constantly on the attack.
ATTACKING FOOTBALL WILL WIN YOU THE LEAGUE:"Still defend well"
Defensive and hard to beat football is a good tactic in knockout cups but if you want to win the eagle you have to score goals,and don't just attack all departments should be strong.imagine us defending 38 league games with other games also to be played like we did end last season?we will be tired come Christmas.
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Better wingers than matter (apart from hazard ) we had kalou malouda and sturridge (whos meant to be a striker) enough said
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Hulk,Marin,Hazard
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Dont Barca play 4-2-3-1? not exactly renowned for their defending
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Madrid play 4 2 3 1, and just set a record for most goals ever in a la liga season, so not so much the tactic more the players, like alonso is not dm hes more of a deep lying playmaker and when there on the attack ozil, kaka, and ronaldo would float about and interchange,the only one who would stay more to a role was diamaria because hes an out and out winger, we should take a leaf out of Madrids book,but i do and have done for ages think we need a deep lying playmaker, to pick the ball up off the back 4 and dictate the play just examples but like a pirlo,alonso,xavi,scholes, not a dig at lampard or mikel but they cant do the job these lot can do,
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4-2-3-1 can be as attacking as u like! I remember brazil playing with a similar formation and they just let the front 4 get on with it, low defensive responsibility and freedom in attack. There's no saying the deeper midfielders have to be defensive minded. I think man city showed how a 4-2-3-1 can be devastating with the right balance of attack and defence.
Marley
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They dont need to defend they always have the ball lol
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Just to clarify my post saying about we had malouda kalou and sturridge who should be a striker i was saying there nowhere near as good as mata hazard marin and hulk just incase theres any confusion and it looked like i was saying there better
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Madrid are playing in La Liga its easy football for them.
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Cech
VDW terry D.Luiz cole
Lamps ramires
Hulk Mata. Hazard
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And Marin to replace hulk mata hazard and Torres for injuries/suspensions
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kaka doentplay its di maria
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06 Jun 2012 14:16:53
Just seen that Uruguay are 2nd in FIFA rankings !! Who are their decent players , off the top of my head I can only think of forlan
Jm10 {Ed002's Note - Cavani, Suarez, Hernandez, Gargano?}
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Oh wow didn't realise thanks ED.
Jm10
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Yer they got an alright team to be fair
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Ramírez, Godin, perreira? {Ed018's Note - Yes them as well}
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Suarez - good
You must be having a laugh
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Dude just cause we hate liverpool you cant claim suarez isnt a good player put him in a decent team he would be even better
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06 Jun 2012 13:00:27
Has there been any news on the new stadium ed ? It seems to have gone very quite at the moment ... {Ed002's Note - These things take a very long time.}
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Hope chelsea don't move. We don't have 60,000 fans. It'll be space for tourists and then we'll have to play in red just like Cardiff.
Unlucky
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Pretty sure we got more than 60 000 fans mate
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Pretty sure you don't curt..
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06 Jun 2012 12:52:34
Hey Do You Have any information about chelsea moving to battersea?. and our chelsea still interested in Samual inkoom from dnipro
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06 Jun 2012 12:42:14
Pls, just wanna know. Which jersey nos will Marin, De Bruyne, Mata n possibly Hulk wear @ Chelsea? Dnt get pissed up wit me though... {Ed002's Note - I have no idea.}
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Mata will keep 10 hulk will probably get 12 hazard iv heard will be given drogs number duno about the other 2 players
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Hazard has confired number 17
Carefree
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Last year they dint sort numbers out untill after all pre season friendlys, i remem mceachran being 43 then changed to 20 very late
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Hazard 17 marin 21 de bruyne 14 cavani 11
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06 Jun 2012 11:59:36
just joined the sun euro fantasy team and i must say i do have the best name :P ed's care to join in and show us how its done? would love to see ed002 or ed018 show us what theyre made of
Vincent {Ed002's Note - OUt of respect for the Liverpool fans I will not do the Sun one.}
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Sorry ed, normally Iagree with you on most things, but that is a really poor excuse. The sun issue is a bigotted view from the liverpool fans, more to do with politics than anything else. That has nothing to do with football. {Ed002's Note - Sure, but it is my decision.}
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I wouldn't call it politics, if u don't know the full story do a little research on the matter and I'm sure u will change your mind. Possibly the suns biggest mistake and they haven't learnt squat since then!! Once ed sed no to your fantasy lge u should have left it there, it's not a matter up for discussion with a lot of people and this is coming from a CFC fan. It's a matter that affected the whole of football and should never be forgotten.
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I just want to make it clear Marley (although i'm sure ed already knows through ip addresses etc, that second comment was not me but somebody else
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Was only aimed at the unsigned poster Vincent, sorry if u thought I was having a dig.
Marley
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Marley we all know what there problem is with the sun & it has always been the same. They have always prefered the mirror & socialist workers party news. So if you read up on your history, you will find it is mainly political. I for one would buy the sun, just for that reason. It is a bigotted northern view on things.
Anyway who cares what a load of freeloading plastic fans think.
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No problem mate, just wanted to point it out haha
Vincent
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Never heard a true article of the sun
E.g Ronaldos success is thanks to his hair was one I remember
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Well its a known fact hair is the key to success isnt it ?? ......... lol
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06 Jun 2012 09:44:55
Everton fan here - just wanted to say that although it's benefitted Jagielka - that push by the belgium guy on Cahill has to be one of the worst things I've seen in football - it was dangerous and deliberate - totally out of order - the guy should have got a red card and a long ban for that - surprised more hasn't been made of it in the press or by england
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06 Jun 2012 09:21:22
We should stick with a 4-2-3-1 formation and use different players in the same formation depending on whether we want an attacking formation or defensive.
Attacking 11
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VDW**Luiz**Cahill**Cole
Lampard**Ramirez
Hulk**Mata**Hazard
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Defensive 11
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Ivan**Cahill**Terry**Cole
Lampard**Mikel
Ramirez**Mata**Hazard
Torres
Marin to be rotated with Mata & Hazard ,Torres with Hulk & Sturridge, Paizon with Lampard and Cole with Bertrand. Josh, Chalobah, Hutchings, Bamford, Feruz and Kakuta to get games in carling cup and a few reserve appearances.
Obviously provided VDW and Hulk sign.
CFC Mark
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Malouda on the left of the defensive. But I hope we are all out attack next season. Lik against spurs in the fa cup, and second leg and games against Napoli and Valencia we play so much better
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The best method of defence is attack
We should take inspiration from the Milan with Sacchi in late 80s
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06 Jun 2012 08:18:05
Other signings excluding hazard marin
Hulk
Vdw
Schrell
Markovic
Outs
Essien
Turnball
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Who is Schrell?
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06 Jun 2012 05:04:33
I do not think we will sign a big name striker .Lukaku(if he does not go on loan),Sturridge are going to be rotated as back up strikers.I think we will sign someone young and developing like Luke de jong, Scrulle or Joselu.By the way is it me or does anyone else think Piazon will be a world beater,he can play practically in any attacking position.Josh has the potential ,but he needs to work harder .
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06 Jun 2012 01:44:15
do you think hulk and hazard will be able to help fernando torres get back to scoring ways
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I hope so other wise we got a situtation
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He started playing well at the end of the season just hope he dosent against Italy.
Because I'm half Italian
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06 Jun 2012 01:39:44
While I've enjoyed and appreciated the last few years and trophies we've won, I must admit that I'm concerned about the club. At the heart of Chelsea, it's still a club, supported by fans, the CFC community, but year after year this appears to be disconnecting.
I'm concerned that there is little to no continuity, no players ending their careers at the club, no old boys knocking about. They've all been moved on and passed their sell by dates. The Alex, Anelka situation really annoyed me as a fan, accepting that there may have been issues I'm not privy to.
I worry that we won't be able to attract talent as we have little stability, and I don't see that as a good thing, even if we keep winning and keep attracting players, currently.
The constant changing of managers leaves little loyalty to and from the players and this has played out, time and again. Scolari, Grant, and AVB?
We buy or have players that end up on the bench, or worse, because they don't fit into the managers plans, or 'vision', yet they played under the previous manager / coaches or were destined to.
This has to be upsetting and unsettling for the players. Josh has been so close yet so far for ages, but no new manager has yet taken the 'risk' with him as results are needed and time is limited. Stability will allow this talent to come through, as will security / surety.
It's been a fantastic year for the club and I really appreciate everything RA has done, but unfortunately every now and then I take off the rose tinted glasses and this is what I see.
CFC Craig
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What are you going on about ?We just signed Hazard,Marin and are closing in on other big names.Players who have the potential will make it through ,example: Bertrand. Piazon is definitely going to play this season .Josh needs to improve if he has to make the cut.I agree with you on the manager's position ,too many changes,but that will change as soon as we find the right one.So cheer up ,mate and enjoy the football as it is going to be an even more exciting year for us.
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CFC Craig,
I do know where you are coming from. I am a middle aged man who has supported Chelsea all of his life.
Infarct I could see the floodlights from my Bedroom window as a boy (those blues are in my blood).
Of course I miss the sense of community and belonging there used to be at the bridge, before the money and RA arrived.
We did have local talent (Alan Hudson to name one).
However when I take off my rosy coloured specs and remember clearly, we had a crap ground with appalling facilities
For much of the late seventies and early eighties a crap team as well, remember we nearly got relegated to the old third division
Avenging crowds of thirteen thousand.
Let’s look at today; we have just signed the most exciting young talent in European football with more on the way. We are champions
Of Europe, As a boy this was beyond mine or anybody else’s dreams. Would I swap this for the old days “not on your Nelly”.
Enjoy this; enjoy it all for however long it lasts I say.
Best regards to all
Battersea Boy
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It must have been your avenging crowds responsible for the hooliganism in those days?
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Thanks Puzzled ,small typo (even scallys have their uses)seem to remember your boys had a small bit to say on the subject back in the day ( but only at home).Now why dont you go off and play somewhere else. I do it very politely now i am a grown up.
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From my fairly hazy memory I seem to remember that Chelsea were very close to 'doing a Leeds' just prior to RA taking us over, I also seem to remember rumours that Tery was to be sold and possibly administration. As much as anything I thank Roman for saving our club from possibly plummeting back down the leagues, not to mention the success it has brought since. I fully agree on the manager situation though, the club HAS to make a choice this time and stick with it.
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Ban foreigners from Chelsea merchandise and tickets and everything will be one tenth of the price
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Mate banning foreigners from purchasing merchandise will not help the club in the slightest.
Melbourne CFC
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Its nothing to do with foriegners its the fact they can get away with selling them at that price
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06 Jun 2012 00:15:40
Can anyone help,I have been to a couple of Chelsea games when there in the north west of England but I have never been to the bridge. If possible I would like to go to the super cup game in Monaco but will I have no chance of getting a ticket,are season ticket holders and members entitled to tickets first. I am looking into becoming a member and will be getting to the bridge this season but would really appreciate any help regarding the super cup game.
Northwest blue.
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From Liverpool and suffer same problem only watch Chelsea against everton, Wigan and Blackburn would like to see us vs liverpool + the two Manchester teams
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05 Jun 2012 23:59:47
My formation:
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Apzilicueta--Luiz---Terry----A.Cole
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Hulk----------Mata--------Hazard
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Turnbull/Hilario
Ivanovic
Cahill
Lampard
Meireles
Marin
Sturridge
Ramires won't being playing DM, but as a box to box midfielder. Mikel will be the stable DM, just sitting in front of the back four. This allows the front four to go on the offensive.
Would love your opinions chaps?
PR!
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Agree although I still have my doubts over Mikel, I'd rather see Lampard/Romeu take his spot, with Josh seeing some game time too.
PieZ
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