Chelsea Banter Archive August 06 2012

06 Aug 2012 22:47:16
Is Falcao almost certain not to be in a Chelsea shirt next season? I ask because I really do rate this guy and I'm desperate for us to sign him!
SAIM

Agree with this completely he's been pretty quiet on his future so hopefully something can be done! Would cost a fortune but has proven he can deliver on the big occasions.

Jim132

He worth big money in my opinion compared to some strikers we are looking at.

Can any one think of a better striker than him last season?

Yes.

Van Persie, Huntelaar, Rooney, Aguero, Gomez!

The issue is athletico payed over 40m for him last year. I guess you could say that would be the only club who would happily take Torres back. But you must keep in mind how unlikely it is for player swaps.

Tk

They paid £35m for him last year.

Defoe would score the way we play

I don't see why as we want a striker who prob won't play every week we don't get huntaleer, he would be cheap and bagged more goals than lewandoski and shurrle.

06 Aug 2012 21:50:56
Scenario: Falcao plays at the olympics and has a stinker, does next to nothing for 3 games. Who would you choose then? Do you choose Cavani over him, or do you stick with Falcao?

Just generally asking. Seems like Cavani was first choice before a couple of poor games, but now Falcaos flavour of the month? Are the opinions based over the last few seasons or the last few games?

Personally i'd choose Falcao, but truthfully i don't really know whos best. This is a general query because it seems like everyone has changed their mind due to Cavanis last few poor performances?

OsgoodIsKing

I'd say cavani but that is only because i've seen more of him than falcao. both would be good additions though, i'm sure

trueblue012

Falcao is definetly the better player. He is more intelligent on the pitch, has better hold up play and touch and passing. He would suit our style of play more plus has already shown he can handle the pressure of a big price tag. Look at every touch that Cavani makes in a game and every touch that Falcao makes then you will see the difference.

On a side note... Imagine if the two of them produced a striking partnership! (I know this is unrealistic, I'm just saying!)

Ash

You can't call it on my opinion.

Both have similar strengths, for me though Cavani is the harder worker out of the 2 and i don't care if he's had a bad olympics he's a world class striker, but then again so is Falcao

I would choose Cavani, but purely because he is more versatile, i do not think Torres and Falcao could be on the pitch at the same time (not successfully anyway), but i do believe you could play with both Cavani and Torres.

Falcao is a great goal scorer, but not more than that, Cavani is a good goal scorer, and a solid team player.

How is cavani more versatile hes only good up top. Terrible out wide.

He is not terrible out wide, he is not at his best but he can play there, as a wide forward rather than a winger (the same sort of role Anelka played).

Im all for falcao. im not convinced with cavani seeing his attitude at olympics, but also his all round game first touch and passing is terrible. allround falcao would be the better addition. BLUEBOY1

Playing cavani in AMR in FM he gets 30 goals a season, if only......

BLUEBOY1 how can you say that about Cavani, you cant judge him from one comp, he has scored 33 goals in 47 games, two seasons in a row. That is fantastic consistency, he wouldn't manage that with a "terrible" all round. game

Cavani all round game isn't terrible, But it certainly ain't great. For £35m+ u would certainly expect better. There is no doubt that Napoli's direct style of play suits and compliments him. His touch and passing really isn't up to scratch for that sort of money. MB

If we played cavani out right would he score more than anelka and kalou did? YES

What so spend 35 million for a player to may be sit on the bench behind torres. plus i would much rather our wings occupied by mata, marin, hzard, oscar than a make shift wide player.

Cavani scored is goals up front y play him wide? better of gettin hulk.

06 Aug 2012 21:35:11
ED002 reports say we have signed Wallace from Fluminese is this true did we take up the option to buy him?

06 Aug 2012 21:23:39
Well in todays news its rumored every where that we are going to make three more signings Cesar Azpilicueta, Victor Moses and Andre Schurle.
We all know we need natural right back as a back-up for Ivanovic and hence its correct thing we are going after him.
Well its been almost a month that we are chasing Victor Moses from wigan. He is Right wing player. But we have now Mata, Hazard, Marin and Ramires who all can play on wings.(Though many of us will prefer playing Ramires in deep central midfield.) And we all know all above four players are better than Victor Moses and even he will find it difficult to make place on chelsea bench. Then what is need of Moses. Some of you will say he is young and will improve into good player but then we should give chance to our other youngsters such as KDB(instead of sending him on loan), kakuta, Piazon.
About Andre Schurle, he is also good player and even capable of breaking into our first team squad. He is better than Marko Marin but again we got Marin in 7m and we are expected to offer 25m for schurle so that makes a lot difference.
I guess we will get natural right back and just one of the Moses/schurle/hulk.
samrat

Like u said moses plays on the right, kakuta, de bruyne play on the left. same as marin schurle left and right again.

I personally feel that Marin is a class player anyways. One of our best buys in a few seasons imho.

Ash

I'm with ash Marin is very good. Just needs to learn to finish a bit better and he will be a diamond.

06 Aug 2012 21:17:39
Some reason I have a funny expectation of seeing that azilipuata dude. moses and damiao as cfc players by the end of the window....

06 Aug 2012 21:11:40
looks like were bringing wallace to the bridge and buying out the other 60 percent. BLUEBOY1

06 Aug 2012 20:54:44
we need another striker torres is .....

........gunna score 30 goals this season.

06 Aug 2012 20:17:17
If there was any truth in Atletico's desperation to sell players, then why is it that nobody is trying to sign him? He would be a great player for Chelsea but then ask yourself why isnt trying his best efforts to get him in?

What the **** are you talking about?

Who the **** do you think you are, you big headed ****? {Ed018's Note - maybe you should have put Falcao's name in your original post and we could have avoided this pointless bickering}

Falcao you mean? Ive got no clue why, guess the are not willing to let him go or he does not want to leave only after joining them last season.

Athletico have a huge debt. They would ideally like to keep him for one more season at least, but If a big offer came in they would consider it. Wether Falcao would want to move that is a different question, but I expect he would prefer champions league football to Europa league. MB

06 Aug 2012 19:34:36
Ed, why isnt Pato an option?

I'm sure his price tag is too large considering his awful injury history.

Tk

Injury problems.

Pato has been in terrible form

06 Aug 2012 19:05:20
Bayer Lev.decided to decline offer from Chelsea for Schurle .

06 Aug 2012 18:40:23
Schurrle looks to be a class act however, I haven't really been informed on how the deal is going. How close are we and what will it involve? Also, what position will he have in the squad and what is his style of play?

If he joins us he will mainly play on one of the wing as f. torres will play as our alone striker. Also he can play as our alone striker in absence of f. torres.
He will have better first team chances than Marko marin but still behind the likes of mata and hazard.

samrat

06 Aug 2012 19:24:30
Expect at least one or two signings this week
Your thoughts guys on who you would like or expect

I expect azpilicueta and moses

Wallace

Delroy hazard

06 Aug 2012 18:48:36
our problem is getting the ball centrally and not getting it up field quick enough, allowing the other team to all get behind the ball and marking out our players. but this was pre season i cant see lamps doing this in serious games because he will know hell soon be dropped. we have also got to get out of passing a 5 yard pass to say essien then runhing towards the playey theyve passed to. this creates a clogged up midfield and the other teams close us down from our own movement causing us to pass back and start again, then we do the exact same again its all too predictable. lampard and ramires would be my midfield 2. they understand eachothers movement. lamps love a quick 1 2 with a quick player like rami who will sprint forward look at ramires goal against barca. thats lamps at his best. hopefully thats how he will play. which if he plays with mikel it ruins him. josh & ramires would be my other choice movement and range of passes and creativity of mceachran, the engine work rate of pace of ramy will ruin opponents. yes their is no holding mid but when we actually have 3 centre backs on the pitch we should use that to our strengh. dont let ivanovic attack. that sorts that so effectively only cole would attack joining lamps and ramy attacking. same sort of attacks as napoli used alot last year.
starting would line up like....
--------------CECH------------
IVAN----LUIZ---TERRY--COLE
--------RAMIRES-LAMPS------
HAZARD----MATA----MARIN
--------------TORRES----------

but as soon as we have possession, cole pushes forward, iva, jt, luiz step to ther left and sorts the DM out, so now we can play without useing mikel or anyone who slows us up, but if we get caught in possession we still have 3 solid defenders back so really were not missing DM. so the line up would move into this when going forward...
---------------CECH------------
------IVAN---LUIZ---TERRY---
-----RAM---LAMPS---COLE--
HAZARD----MATA----MARIN
-------------TORRES-----------

soon as we lose possession we fall back into shape, but the whole time were still effectively keeping a holding mid back & useing ivanovic even though at rb at his best strengh defending. any thoughts bluebloods? BLUEBOY1

The fact that Oscar is nowhere to be seen in this post is what disheartens me about this it, unless you've simply forgotten about him. I would like to think of Oscar as a regular starter a little while into the season

Devon.

Ramires and Luiz as holding mids would offer a quicker tempo to get ball forward


Pinky

You want a LB in your back 3 not only 3cb's + if you want to get run over all day long you play your midfield like that..you can't play it that flat and whats the use of a CDM if Luiz has to play as a stopper pushing forward..not bad thinking just implemented wrong in your formation

U obviously dint read the post the 1st team is how we would line up so thr is a left back. just trying to think of a team & tactics without a holding mid. & oscar aint in the team because hell be off after olympics or maybe hes back sooner thn i thought.

Youve got it wrong first poster:

torres
lampard ramires oscar cech
mikel terry cahill piazon gronkyaer
turnbull

turnbull would turn in 30 goals a season with cech getting 80 assists

06 Aug 2012 17:21:48
Have to say, I for one feel genuinely sorry for Josh McEachran, farmed on loan as Rodgers promised to play him, forced to sit on a bench when he should have been playing and overlooked a lot in Pre-season. The poor lad must wonder how he is behind Mikel and Mereilles in the pecking order. Look on the bright side lads, RDM might be using defensive football as a ruse to lure in City and then snap the Chelsea fangs down using Hazard, Marin and FT9 ;D
At least judge RDM after a couple of meaningful games, Pre-season is fitness, results are irrelevant. Everton lost 2-0 to Blackpool on Pre-season, basically the same as our result with a strong team, yet they aren't worried about the performance so why are we? We are Carefree and European Champions People, just remember that. :D
CFCFOREVER!

06 Aug 2012 15:43:09
We will see first game of season if Di matteo knows how to play anything but defencive football.

I for one like the defensive game we played, we were superb defensively, and England tried to copy us, we need to get rid of the slow mids like essien mikel and sorry, lamps, and get some pace in there so we can counter

So you're saying you want to go and attack in a community shield game against the premier league champions with a new look side who are yet to find their feet?

First game of season is wigan is what i ment. and to the person saying we was gd defence ur a joke. barca hit the post, crossbar, munich missed easy chances. i would say more lucky.

06 Aug 2012 14:46:47
Good source (London based journalist) who has already told me about Mata and Torres transfers before they went through has confirmed we intend to launch a £7.5 million bid for Azpilicueta in the next few days. He also told me to expect a few interesting developments regarding new strikers in the next month and told me not to refuse the possibility of a shock/marquee name who we haven't/have been linked with before being said transfer.
Believe what you will.
CFCFOREVER!

Similar story with me. A good mate of mine who is a current coach at a premier league club, plus formerly a coach at Chelsea and arsenal tells me that Chelsea aren't going to be held to ransom with some clubs over hugely inflated prices for strikers/wingers. Chelsea are  now rekindling their interest in Falcao and are now seriously considering ways to crack a deal for him. He also says they are willing to pay big big money for him (£40m+), but indicted that this transfer might take a while to complete. Chelsea's scouts have indicated that Falcao would be the best option for a striker plus Abramovic is known to be a huge fan of Falcao's. Also expect a deal for Moses and Azpilicueta to go through in the next couple of weeks.
MB

06 Aug 2012 12:25:36
"There will not be radical changes. We will try to make some changes," he said. "With the integration of these new players, inevitably we will change how we play a bit. But I never said we were going to play attacking football" - Di Matteo

Looks like a year of parking the bus like th CL semi

Why oh why did Guardiola say no(or not yet). I would rather lose and play exciting attacking football then park the bus and do better in comps.
Hopefully Di matteo will prove me wrong

I'd rather win and the experts can tell me i parked a bus, a truck, an aeroplane or whatever...



taby

2nd poster should go and support arsenal then; the losers!

To Above - Except Arsenal dont play good football ;)

JMJW

I would rather see us win 1-0 every week than 5-4, maybe im just a purist