Chelsea Banter Archive November 05 2015

 

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05 Nov 2015 20:55:21
Serious question,
I'm using last season as an example.
The first half of last season, you boys were on fire, you took everybody apart, gained a nice lead over everybody, than went into defensive mode and shut up shop for last 10/12 games and avoided defeat, apart from slippery Steve who helped you out at An field.

Now, in not knocking Mourinho's tactics last season, you won the league and deservedly so.

But, we all know Mourinho likes a 'defensive' game, in terms of formation and tactics, but you boys are way behind the chasing pack, is he good enough to change tactics and play a more offensive game? (You can't play defensive anymore, you need wins not draws) .

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05 Nov 2015 21:22:54
This is the big question Dags. The problem I feel is that he doesn't think he has the right players to change the system defensively wise. We are all calling for a more open attacking set up, because we have the players (attack wise ) to do so. Attack is the best form of defence is something that Jose obviously doesn't believe in. Maybe if he becomes happy with Zouma and baba at the back with a bit of speed, then he might change his approach. We shall see.

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05 Nov 2015 23:16:08
Sid,
Do you think Mourinho has lost faith in his defence?
Let's face it, JT is not as commanding as he usually is, Ivanovich has lost his edge and Cahill is not a natural Captain.

Is Mourinho scared to let the likes of Hazard and Fabregas play freely and more expressive because he is worried about your defence crumbling under a counter attack?

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05 Nov 2015 23:48:40
Terry is commanding but his legs are starting to go. He can play against big strong players but not small quick nippy ones eg. Aguero.

Cahill is still a good player but one thing that frustrates me is his ability to back off all the time.

Zouma needs to play CB at all times. Quality defender and hopefully one to step up and be captain.

Ivanovic played more as a right wing back last year, but again with another year on his age, he's getting slower and now getting caught time and time again.

Baba Rahman will come good as and when he gets up to speed of the premiership. The German league is nothing on the premiership in terms of pace and strength.

Lampard hit the nail on the head the other night when he said that Chelsea lack leaders. After losing him, Cech and Drogba in the space of 2 seasons. Only JT in my eyes is a natural born leader. The rest aren't. They need a commanding CB and a CM. Ones that's aren't afraid to
Put in a tackle.

Fabregas I think has a hidden injury that he's been carrying for a while now. Doesn't ever seem to be 100%. Even at Barcelona.

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06 Nov 2015 16:58:27
Dagenham gunner, you're getting your seasons mixed up. The Gerrard slip was the season before and helped Man City secure the title.

As to the first half of last season, we hit the ground running, kept the same team and had no impacting injuries/suspensions to deal with. We fell apart at Spurs then turned it round by playing football that was effective game management rather than easy on the eye. the run-in is all about getting over the line IMO so I wasn't bothered by it. We did have a couple of very good games in that run btw, 5-0 away at Swansea being the highlight. Ultimately we had quite a small squad so had to manage the fixtures carefully across the cups and the league. That has almost set a blueprint which is difficult to shake off as we use pretty much the same formation/tactics and in an increasingly competitve league that will spell trouble eventually.

In terms of turning it around this season, I think we need to take the shackles off at home and play a more progressive game (i. e. playing more attacking full backs and haveing a DM slot back into defence) as well as trusting the flair players to write their own script in the game. it seems to me that Mourinho majors on game management, which works fine when you're at the front of the pack but that is not what is needed now. He will not go cavalier like some other managers but he certainly needs to take risks to make us a little less predictable to play against.

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06 Nov 2015 17:46:36
Sorry Steve, you are indeed correct.

I certainly wasn't criticising Mourinho for adapting things in 2nd half of title winning season, good management to be honest.

Simple question, based on your assessment, will Mourinho turn things around?

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06 Nov 2015 18:29:45
I don't think anyone can say for sure. my view is that he has to do something different and if we can utilise lesser-known flair players like Kennedy and Traore then we have a better chance than not. We need to be less predictable, but as I said above, that introduces risk to the team as a whole.

As for Mourinho, I'd like to see him look at setting up his teams to cause the opposition problems as opposed to worrying about the threats they bring. Easy for me to say, of course, and something I don't see changing soon.

If Mourinho is still there by January we could see some interesting comings and goings in the transfer window.

I think he can turn it around and a good run could transform the negativity from the media and reduce pressure around the team. Another interesting thing will be what is acceptable to the club by the end of the season. who knows on that front?!

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06 Nov 2015 19:56:22
Spot on Steve,

Thing is, Roman wants the trophies, but also the attacking football.

Whatever happens, José is still the best man to do the job.

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05 Nov 2015 14:50:13
Think mr UBiSTON GUNNER doesn't realise we beat Bayern when we won the champions league final. Don't think you'll ever see one of them in north London. We always hold our ground against big teams. Not to mention we nearly win the super cup against them and we even had 10 men for 40 minutes. And we went 2-1 up. You keep on winning your FA Cups lads. You won't win the league and you won't win the champions league because you're not good enough.

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05 Nov 2015 15:43:31
Come on Eden,
That's unfair. We went to Bayern, arguably the best team in the world, without Walcott, Ox, Ramsey, Welbeck, Ospina, Rosicky, Bellerin, Koscielny, Wilshere and Arteta.
Granted, not all of them would have been starters, but that's a whole team out.
I think 5-1 was a brilliant result, lol.

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05 Nov 2015 15:46:14
And in there own back garden. What a night.

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05 Nov 2015 16:08:02
Haha dags that's no excuse pal. We went there with Bosingwa, Luiz, Mikel, Kalou and Bertrand in our starting line up. And we still WON IT!

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05 Nov 2015 16:22:01
Fair point Eden, lol.

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05 Nov 2015 19:29:18
I think Ubiston needs to realise and I'm not having a dig or anything but mourinho doesn't just stop other teams from playing. He chooses certain tactics for certain teams depending on how the team is play. For example when Arsenal came to Stamford bridge and we went all out attack and put 6 past them.

Obviously if your a manager and you want to win you would make your team play however they need to to win. Mourinho is one of the best managers ever and I hope he stay whether we finish in top 4 or not.

One of us 👍🏻.

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05 Nov 2015 20:07:06
Just to add to your point blue con, the amount of goalless draws away to the bigger teams is no coincidence, Jose knows exactly what he's doing. Can't wait for the players to start playing for him again.

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05 Nov 2015 20:34:03
You're right, Dags. Bayern are just ridiculously strong. We can all laugh at Arsenal about getting thoroughly beaten last night. But truth is that if United or us went there, we'd be dispatched easily as well. Bayern, Barca, Real Madrid and PSG are on another level to the Premier League clubs.

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05 Nov 2015 20:46:37
Well said Jackson, very true.

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05 Nov 2015 13:17:57
Just a question for the Arsenal lads on here. Would your supporters have liked to have Jose as their manager at any stage during the past 10 year, if it guaranteed trophies. Obviously taking into the account the type of football his teams play and the controversy that comes with the man.

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05 Nov 2015 15:27:51
Good question Sid,
Indeed, we have spoke about this on Arsenal page.
I like Mourinho, he is a winner.
He is ruthless, if he came to Arsenal last season (for example), he would have got rid of Arteta, Flamini, Sanogo and Rosicky, among others, and strengthened, like when he got rid of Torres and Ba.

I have 2 problems with Mourinho.
Firstly, I find him a bit 'short-term'. He comes in, sorts out the squad, wins silverware, than leaves or gets sacked. That's not a bad thing, but I prefer more long-term managers like Wenger, albeit the Arsenal board allow him longevity, not sure if Abramovich has afforded Mourinho the same luxury in the past, or indeed, will he in the very near future?

Secondly, he always looks for a scapegoat when things go wrong, (I'm not saying Wenger doesn't), but Mourinho is king of the persecuted.
He blames Wenger, Fergie, refs, The FA, the media, the pitch, the weather, the position of the satellite orbiting earth's atmosphere, in fact anything and everything.

Would I like him as manager?
Yes, because football is about winning things, and he wins things.

The history books will tell you Chelsea were Prem League winners 2014/15 season, that's all that matters, not the playing style or likeability of the manager.

Don't think you will find many Gooners who will agree with me though.

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{Ed002's Note - Mr Mourinho has never been sacked by any of the clubs he has worked for.}

05 Nov 2015 15:45:58
Weren't sure if he got sacked first time round at Chelsea.
But you are indeed correct Ed.

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{Ed002's Note - Of course.}

05 Nov 2015 18:23:46
Personally not Sid. I became an Arsenal because of the football they play, not because of trophies or anything else. It is how they play that has made me love them so much. Mourinho, in my honest opinion, is anti-football. He is everything that Arsenal isn't. He wants to stop other teams from playing, either by shutting them down or getting them sent off. I really could not cope with watching that every week, win lose or draw.

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05 Nov 2015 20:35:44
About the short term manager thing, I think managers staying for over 5 years in this day and age is quite rare. This is only my opinion of course, but I think Wenger will be the last of his kind.

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05 Nov 2015 23:18:29
You could be right Jackson, but that could also be that our Board is very tolerable to a lack of success, unlike other big clubs.

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06 Nov 2015 00:09:11
I would not want mourinho anywhere near our club, even if he could win us the league, fa cup and the champions league in one season. You could argue its because i'm an Arsenal fan, but for me football isn't all about winning.

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06 Nov 2015 15:41:50
Dags, Jose is the king of scapegoating, but he does it (in my opinion) not because he necessarily believes it but to protect the players. It generally makes the players love him and thus work harder for him. So to me, I don't really mind it so much.

This season though I think that he has perhaps lost a few of the players' faith, which is why we've seen him throw a few of them under the bus (rightly so) . Also I think some of it has come back to bite him i. e the refs and FA.

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05 Nov 2015 09:14:10
Saim,
Are you serious when you claim you have more history than us?
We have been winning trophies and titles throughout history, you have only won things since Abramovich took over, apart from an FA Cup win in the 70's.
You have no history prior to Roman.
You have won the league 5 times, we have won it 13 times.
You have won FA Cup 7 times, we have won it 12 times.
No comparison mate.
You think you have more history than us because you have won Champs League?
Ridiculous my friend, based on your assumption, do Notts Forest have more history than you as they have won Champs League (European Cup) twice?

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05 Nov 2015 09:31:14
Go back to my comments, I did't say we had more history than you. That would be silly as you have mentioned you have won quite a fair amount more than us. It was a joke so you don't need to take such offence to everything. It was simply a sly comment about us having won a CL and you guys not. However we have quite clearly been better the last 10/11 years or so, there's no arguing with that. Furthermore, we have a bigger fanbase than you worldwide and I believe (not 100% so don't shoot me down if I'm wrong) we turnover more money than you each year. You ought to calm down pal, although I fell blessed that you seem to have me on your mind constantly at the moment.

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05 Nov 2015 09:39:02
Now, that's the first decent post you have wrote, keep it up fella.
Don't take offence mate, its all banter.
Not sure about you having a bigger fan base than us, not even sure if its measurable.
Wouldn't say you are on my mind constantly, just replying to your post.
Enjoy the rest of your relegation fight, lol. (Banter) .

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05 Nov 2015 09:42:26
I have read that our fanbase is the 4th biggest in the world behind United, Madrid and Barca. However obviously not everything on the internet is true so who knows?! Haha I've just been playing with you mate, I think you know that as well. You seem like a decent fella so I apologise for my first post yesterday. Let's talk current football: do you guys think you will win the league this season? And do you think we could finish in the top 4?

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05 Nov 2015 10:05:35
Saim if we play the way we played yesterday, with passion and energy and especially wehn courouis is back I can guarantee you we will be back in top for before may.

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05 Nov 2015 10:06:32
This will come across as being weird, but we have no chance of CL success and I don't want to end up in Europa League as it will damage our chances of Prem League success.
Would rather we get knocked out of CL and concentrate on Prem.
If we win prem than our usual knock out from CL will be forgotten about.
I would take that in a heartbeat.
I think you are still good enough to finish top 4, you are Champions.
Go on a 10 game unbeaten run, 8 wins and 2 draws and you are back in the mix for top 4.

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05 Nov 2015 10:18:33
Dagenham I believe with that run we would be in top 4 already. PL is poor this season as top clubs lost a lot of points already.

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05 Nov 2015 10:49:56
As weird as it does sound its probably the sensible thing to do. You will probably go all out in the remaining 2 CL games though because it still kind of is in your hands (assuming Bayern beat Olympiacos) . I think we will get top 4 as a few of the teams (United, Spurs, Liverpool) are bound to have a poor run and drop a few points, whilst we've always got a chance at picking up points against the bigger teams with Jose in charge. It might not be nice to see our team losing this often but one things for sure, our fans have been brilliant and a credit to the club in my opinion, its awesome seeing us stick together in times like this.

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05 Nov 2015 11:44:33
Dags, if you guys crash out of the group stages and don't even get Europa, then I think that indeed you've got a good chance at the Premier League this season. With us already out of the title race and United still not clicking offensively this could be one of your best chances at winning it in a while. With only domestic football to worry about your yearly injuries should be minimised and I think you can fend off City then as you guys always crush the "smaller" clubs.

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05 Nov 2015 14:46:26
Hahahaha these gunners reckon they can win the league. It's the same every year with you lot. You show promise but you'll just keep collapsing then it will be #WengerOut.

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05 Nov 2015 15:34:00
LRDlt,
I totally agree with you, we are only 11 games in, so plenty of points to play for.
Saim,
Agree with you, but you have to pick up points pretty soon. Good luck at Stoke, lol.
Jackson,
Do you really think you are out of title race?

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05 Nov 2015 20:37:33
What Chelsea fan can honestly claim we can still challenge this season, Dags? It's just the way it is. There are too many problems right now, we're already way behind. And to be frank, certainly City are just a better team than us right now. I'd be over the moon if we got top 4 this season.

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05 Nov 2015 21:40:26
Jackson for some reason I know we will be in top 4. And there still is a slim chance of us winning the league.

Take every game as it comes and win all of them and the chances of winning the league would become huge.

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05 Nov 2015 21:50:51
Jackson, admittedly you have been poor this season, by your normal standards, but there are lots of games to be played and lots of points to be won mate.

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05 Nov 2015 03:58:35
I wonder if them two gunners who kept coming on our page will pay a visit today lol. I'm pretty sure it was 5-1 to Bayern last night hahaha.

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05 Nov 2015 06:20:07
It's a bit far to travel.

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05 Nov 2015 06:59:07
No we're still here mate. Yeah we got hammered, and we beat them at our place. How do you think your boys would get on against Bayern right now? Think you'd beat them? Go and have a look at the absolute drivel your team is producing, or have a look at the goals against column in the league, before you start talking about what Arsenal are doing. Good luck with the relegation fight.

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05 Nov 2015 07:07:51
Terrible comeback. Saying that though I'd expect it from an Arse-anal fan.

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05 Nov 2015 08:21:31
Seems I upset Dagenham Gooner haha! Can't be easy seeing your team lose 5-1 though lol. Guess we wouldn't know that feeling anymore ;)

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05 Nov 2015 08:58:08
Eden,
Good win yesterday mate, nice to see your only decent player this season came up trumps again mate.
Saim,
Or can I call you dick? Nah you didn't upset me mate. Unlike you, I can take a bit of banter.

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05 Nov 2015 09:05:40
Alright Ubistonk. Any advice on how to deal with your team being crap? Just thought with you guys being used to it you could help us out a little, we're not used to this kind of stuff.

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05 Nov 2015 09:15:17
I can take banter, but now that is the sixth time you've called me a dick and it is quite annoying really and not banter at all. Yeah we're very lucky to have a player like Willian at the moment, he's on fire with his free kicks. We'll be back soon and I think you guys know it, that's probably why you're enjoying this so much.

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05 Nov 2015 09:30:35
Can't give you any advice mate. We've had our up's and downs, but we always finish top 4. Got no experience of battling relegation. You probably need to make a few signings would be my only advice. Maybe Steven Fletcher? Joey Barton? You know, players who are used to life down at the bottom.

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05 Nov 2015 09:37:03
Fair enough. I'll take our chances on finishing top 4 still though, especially since your players are falling like flies (the usual) . I believe Ozil has reached his maximum capacity for good games in a season as well so he'll be invisible again soon. And don't get me started on Giroud, a 15 game goal drought is just around the corner surely?!

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05 Nov 2015 09:40:46
Saim,
Seriously, I apologise.
Stupid calling you dick.
Sorry mate.

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05 Nov 2015 10:09:02
Ubistonk want to make a bet? Lioe genuine bet? If you win the league I will pay you 50 if we get in top four its other way around?

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