Chelsea Banter Archive August 03 2015

03 Aug 2015 20:44:23
Ok in little distraught and angry at why we didn't make a move for Pedro! Have any of you watched him play or see his highlight real on Google! I am very seriously nervous that we sold Cech to arsenal and look what happened yesterday, yes we won most of the game but scoreboard didn't show and Ramires needs to make those goals! Secondly Pedro is better then everyone we have besides Costa and of Course Hazard I'll put Willian alongside him! Can u Imagine having Hazard Willian and Pedro lining up!
Lastly if mata finds a way to get the ball to Pedro and Rooney with Schwini and Memphis look out for Man U! Defense can only win for so long if we can't score and we can't score again without Costa and Pedro was our answer!

We will be really lucky if Kennedy comes in and then and only then if that's the plan we maybe able to have someone else score for us or at least put the ball where it needs to be!

Sorry to complain but I feel Mourinho needs to stop buying replacements and buy a hit man maybe having costa and falcoa up top can do us well! Let's see it all next Saturday and then the most important game to me Man City which we won two years back in their home!

03 Aug 2015 21:51:54
I'd be shocked if we see Kenedy play a lot of minutes this season. I don't think you should for one second hope that he'll be scoring for us from that right wing :-P
I'm not too fussed over Pedro probably joining United. I'm just glad if Di Maria leaves. When on form he's amazing, so very happy if he leaves United.

04 Aug 2015 00:37:50
Pedro's good but he's not world class. No point having a front three of Depay, Rooney and Pedro when you've got Smalling and Jones as CB's.

04 Aug 2015 07:18:25
Think this is probably our worst window for last 5 years. I think we are going into this year weaker than we started last season. We desperately need another centre midfielder (just imagine if matic got injured!). Willian and oscar also do not offer enough attacking wise so as a minimum we need a new rw. Last season our attack is what let us down and we have signed only Falcao who is a shadow of his former self.

04 Aug 2015 09:30:04
Its nonsensical posts like this that keep a vast majority of ex regulars from posting on the page, and praying for the sanity of 018!

{Ed001's Note - sanity and Ed018 in the same post! That is a day I never thought I would live to see. When Ed018 is considered sane, I think it is time we all packed up and went home.....

04 Aug 2015 10:12:19
Melbourne CFC: Why make that comment regarding Spearce96, I don't always agree with him but it is a perfectly valid statement. Willian 'should' offer more going forward but he has got the cover at all cost mindset which weakens the attack. The jury is still out on Oscar's value given his performances over the last eighteen months. Our attack did let us down somewhat scoring fewer goals than Manchester City and United in previous seasons yet we are perceived to have romped away with the title. Our defence can only do so much and our forwards will need to hit more than mid-70's in terms of goals this season as eking out 1-0 wins is unlikely to work again. Given the money we made from winning we have no excuses not to strengthen the team as anyone who thinks transplanting last years team into the new season and winning the title is probably in for a disappointment. We are deficient on the right, we do need another form of attacking player as Costa's injury is a concern, Falcao is an unknown quantity at present and Remy's languid style is not conducive to our counter attacking play. I still feel Mourinho is moving towards Azilpulcueta moving back to the right sometime through the season.

04 Aug 2015 11:20:20
Actually we have fantastic squad. Can we improve-sure we can. But Chelsea has to think about players who are on loan atm and they are great prospects in the future. Do we need one more CM probably we do, but if sign marquee name we could close the door for MvG and Pasalic. I believe that Mourinho decided to keep Mikel for another season until MvG gets PL expirience so he can become back up for Matic. Chelsea also has to think about Ake since his versatility could be of great importance in the future.
In May I've posted that our main issue will be left back position and that club wasn't focused on that matter. TBH I can't blame the club because we didn't sign new LB since we have to sell to buy. Not from financial reasons, but because we have to make space in the squad.
Now atm Chelsea must sign LB, CD or RB. The rest of the squad is very strong.

04 Aug 2015 15:29:59
My comment was directed at the OP Frensham but I assure you its the ignorance of 75% of posters that keep me away, and I assume many others.

The gromits come out in force every year and run Ed002 off the page. The foreign bandwagon supporters freak out every pre season or Carling Cup game and rip our squad to shreds for meaningless games, and you almost all come on here regurgitating paper nonsense or ask questions a simple google search could find.

Asking for youth to get a run is high on the list, while titles are demanded by Fifa15 fanboys that, as you claim, demand attacking players be bought, while having zero understanding of a league that requires defensive solidarity. The majority will turn on the club, manager or board as quickly as a 14yo schoolgirl turning on her latest crush for eyeing off another skirt.

You're fickle, you're ignorant and uneducated and you unjustly feel entitled to win. You don't. We don't. Learn the history of the club, learn how lucky you are, and learn the sport that you "support", as its painful reading at times.

You're entitled to your opinions, feel free to continue expressing them, but be open to hearing someone elses, that finds yours tiresome.

Ed001 that line yesterday regarding EMS getting off Milner literally had me spitting water on my computer. Hopefully Stoke continue that trend for me next week ;)

04 Aug 2015 16:14:33
The site hasn't been the same without you Melbourne.

04 Aug 2015 16:43:18
Melbourne CFC: That was a sparky reply and I agree with much of ther observations regarding some of the more mindless repeats of a newspaper headline without any effort to dispel or prove it but human nature is about having an opinion and football is one of the worst areas for an opinion and often an obsessive opinion BUT it is called "Chelsea Banter" for a reason; in the main banter about the club you support knowing full well many will disagree with you, Mourinho or the club will not listen to you but you get it off your chest and 'hope' there are others out there thinking the same. I am probably older that most on the site and I fully expect to take a hammering more often than not but I like to read other people's view including the idiots.

04 Aug 2015 17:54:29
I'm sorry to hear you perceive it all in this manner, Melbourne, as I really enjoyed reading your thoughts prior to signing up myself. Hope you'll maybe one day consider posting more frequently once more and hope I don't spout out too much idiotic things in the meantime ;-)

{Ed018's Note - yea it'd be nice to have Melbourne back posting regularly}

04 Aug 2015 18:48:55
Definitely would be, Ed. I tended to agree with him on most things I read from him. It's a damn shame.

04 Aug 2015 20:17:23
Last time Melbourne posted was almost year ago.
Melbourne how is the weather in UAE?
One more thing, majority of posters are just a kids and plastic fans, hopefully you understood that.🙋

05 Aug 2015 07:13:17
A bit harsh antibot. I keep reading that there are only 25 to 30 hardcore contributors which for a Club Chelsea's size is not that impressive. It is certainly has its obsessive fans, 'Chelsea can do no wrong and don't criticise my favourite player' type, the articulate fan who tries to put forward reasoned comments and the lazier type that quote every newspaper headline and hope others solve his concerns and there are possibly a few fans from other clubs who like to cause mischief. However, all that means it is not always the most welcoming site to new people as sometimes the obsessive fan let's rip with a response clearly saying "you are an idiot, no idea what you are talking about and these are the true facts" which makes me think there are few kids; plastic fans being those always quoting headlines without any thought.

05 Aug 2015 08:04:28
That's why we have so many people obsessed with Pogba and Griezman.
Personally I am mainly interested in tactical approach and realistic improvements. I am also interested in our transfer policy which is sometimes fantastic like summer 2014 or disaster like summer 2013.

05 Aug 2015 09:07:35
Antibot: Surely Pogba and/or Griezmann fit the bill for a club like Chelsea as realistic improvements rather than all the deadwood that the papers spew out and sets everyone talking; most of those that have appeared where just paper and agent talk and highly unlikely the club would even consider them. My reference to 'obsessive' is the so called contributor that will never have a bad word said about the club or his favourites. I don't think anyone would disagree with the recent in and out transfer years and that is why there has been an element of panic in the last week with comments as we do appear to be taking a laid back approach. I say appear because I cannot help feeling there is something in the pipeline.

03 Aug 2015 17:26:24
I've just read an extremely good article by Nick Miller on Espn on how we need strengthening. Begovic is a great signing to replace Cech and I'll also be very happy when Rahman signs because that looks as though it will happen. He went into detail about our midfield and attacking midfielders in how we need to improve that area and not just settling for what we have. He says Mikel hasn't fully convinced in the decade he's been here and that Ramires is too much of a liability and I have to agree with him. Loftus-Cheek looks as though he can make the grade here but his time is not yet. I don't mind keeping Mikel for cup matches just because I hope to see Loftus next to him so he has that experience there to help him. But I do think we can improve upon Ramires. He's been a great servant and is good at doing a job but we need an upgrade who can fill in and play beside Matic when he's suspended/injured. For me it has to be Witsel seen as it looks as though he's available. He keeps things simple, he's a good tackler and passer of the ball and he can play centrally it defensive. If we could broker a deal for him that will give me the confidence of regaining the league.

As for AM he states that while Willian and Oscar are very good players they are not what we need to take us to the next level. You look at Barcelona's three of Messi, Suarez, Neymar, Bayern's of Robben, Lewandowski and Ribery and Madrid's of Bale, Benzema, Ronaldo they have it all and we don't have that. We are missing 1/3 of a deadly attack. Hazard and Costa are there but we have nobody else. Willian has a great work rate but he doesn't score enough goals to play out wide while Oscar's inconsistent. We really need that Muller or Sanchez type who can score goals and work which would complete us. Unfortunately it looks like that won't happen this window with no-one available in that position but that should definitely be our main area next summer. If we could sign Stones, Rahman and Witsel I'd be very confident.

03 Aug 2015 18:29:11
Completely agree

03 Aug 2015 19:05:49
Interesting post magical Eden, agree I think we are all being drawn into the fact that we walked the league last season as a good reason not to improve but I for one think we will have shot our selves on the foot if we don't sign someone else in that midfield role. We were the best out of a the bunch who weren't good and in Europe I can't remember when last English teams were so woeful that for me shows how poor we were. While the rest of Europe improves we are content with staging still and we all know doing that in football means moving backwards.

I'm not sure what Jose has planned honestly I'm not bordered in the slightest cause cause of what happened last season I just find it weird that we don't want to build on what is a really great foundation. Still a while left in the window plus we have the best manager in the world so let's see how things go.

03 Aug 2015 20:27:22
Disagree on the Oscar bit as I think he's excellent when properly rested. But agree on the rest. Though I'd wait to sign a new attacking mid/winger until next year (unless of course someone like Reus was an option right now). Cuadrado could still surprise us, and Traore or Moses might as well. But an upgrade on Ramires is necessary IMO.
Witsel is an obvious choice seeing as he's likely to move. Another favourite of mine is Granit Xhaka. Xhaka next to Matic could be an absolute dominating midfield with Oscar in front. A tough player with a sweet left foot and a rocket shot. I like Xhaka a lot! But my absolute preference for central midfield (excluding Pogba as that's near impossible) is Andre Gomes. He's not much below Pogba's level (if at all) and has a similar game I feel. He'll be amazing in the future and is already very very good. So for me it's Gomes, Xhaka, Witsel. That's also the order of preference.

03 Aug 2015 20:42:07
Just had a thought, and it follows on from what someone said recently. Mainly youth players, could it be possibly that, unless the Pogbas of the world became available, the club doesn't want to spend money on certain players in the hope that some of our loaned players reach the grade.

For example, we all kind of agree that Witsel would be a good replacement for Mikel or Ramires - helping us in transition from the back to forward players which still keeping our defensive edge. is it possible that the club see that a unnecessary spending as they hope for Van Ginkel (or Pasalic) to take the space(s)? there are other examples in the forwards. It maybe explains why we are just chasing a CB and LB, we are light there as we are with CM, but we have players who could plug the holes next season. doesn't help us out much this season haha. Just a thought

03 Aug 2015 20:49:51
Sorry but I don't agree with Witsel, for me he is average at best. Although I totally agree that an upgrade is needed in CM, I believe that if Rami and Mikel both go then we should buy. I say this purely because I want to see RLC get game time and with them there he will be a regular by the end of the season. If they both go, go all out and splash the cash for Pogba. Also I know he is injured, but Carvaleo from Sporting Lisbon could be a excellent addition.

I'm sure nothing will change and this season will be similar to last, maybe struggle a bit more in the league but have a better run in Europe. Would be happy to seek revenge on PSG!

03 Aug 2015 21:33:14
Agree with you on Gomes Jackson in all honesty i'd prefer him to Pogba as I feel he does more work off the ball it's a shame he's just signed permanently from Valencia. He also doesn't have Pogba's agent or ego.

I've never seen Xhaka play to be honest or heard much about him. But we do need a player who can shoot from outside the box. How good would we be with a prime Lampard now? I'm hoping Loftus-Cheek can force his way in although it's very unlikely. I don't know why people see him as a defensive midfielder because he's not. He's a proper box to box tank. He needs to be unleashed in a 4-3-3 I think that way we would get the best out of him. I think we could of kept Van Ginkel this year he's a good player who can pass and keep things simple. I'd love Reus though I think once we get that extra goal threat on the RW we can be elite. Such a shame we never signed Sanchez.

03 Aug 2015 21:57:24
Van Ginkel could've replaced Ramires IMO, so I agree that he could've stayed with us, MagicalEden.
And georgebest, that could definitely be true about the club putting some faith in the on loan players. Not too long ago I wrote a similar post myself. Van Ginkel and Pasalic definitely have the talent to make it at Chelsea. Pasalic in particular is very interesting. Not too much hype around him yet he's playing at Monaco now, and hopefully they'll make it to the CL group stages at least. He's got a very well rounded game and plays with a lot of energy. So I could certainly see him replacing Ramires next season.
I'd support the club 100% if this is their way of thinking. Buy world class players/talents if they're available for reasonable prices. Trust the guys we've got if that's not the case.

03 Aug 2015 22:34:21
How you all guys want mikel to stay? He is utterly crap and don't blame me for saying this. I am not the one to slate the players but boy the time mikels steps on the pitch I know something wrong will happen

{Ed018's Note - there isn't one post above yours stating they want Mikel to stay}

04 Aug 2015 08:50:02
Ed 18, I am not talking about this post but even in general people see to like mikel when he offers 0. I would much more prefer loftus to play mikels minutes

{Ed018's Note - well I for one would like to see someone brought in that's an upgrade on Mikel and Ramires.}

03 Aug 2015 09:58:49
Martinez gave a long interview after Duncan Fergusons testimonial about how big a club Everton are and how they have a great history (no denying that) and how they're not a selling club etc. Before stating how good a player John Stones is and how he has a long contract etc. but at no point did he definitively say, from what I've read, "John Stones is not for sale".

04 Aug 2015 01:28:18
I don't think it really matters too much for a club to come out and say a certain player is not for sale. If they keep knocking back bids then surely the other party will get the message in the end? As an Evertonian, I would probably prefer the manager or club official to say those words, if only to clarify the situation. But every player has a price, especially those playing for a team that doesn't have your cash reserves, and I expect Stones will be hot property come the end of this season. I think he will have a few clubs chasing his signature so it would be stupid to haggle with just one club. With him being home grown, under contract until 2019 and the fact that he is a very good player with bags of potential, we won't sell him on the cheap. I may be wrong but I think he will stay with us for another season, I hope so anyway!