Chelsea Banter Archive August 02 2016

 

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02 Aug 2016 21:44:57
If Everton value Lukaku at £70 then they would be expected to bid considerably more for Ashley Williams. Based on their calculations then a bid of £25 m would be appropriate.

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02 Aug 2016 22:06:51
Yes I know how old he is, before anyone mentions it.

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02 Aug 2016 22:17:59
What's evertons phone number. I think I have a spare £70 hanging around. What a return I could get selling him on😂.

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02 Aug 2016 22:22:35
Ha ha u might make a tenner profit,

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02 Aug 2016 20:52:07
Eds when are the squad numbers announced?
That will give us an idea who staying.

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02 Aug 2016 21:53:49
Ed018 any idea?

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{Ed018's Note - no sorry, and things could still change even after the numbers are released}

03 Aug 2016 06:54:23
Ed018 do personal think chalobah might have a chance this year?

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{Ed018's Note - I think so. He's arguably been the best center mid so far this preseason.}

03 Aug 2016 11:09:49
Agreed . you not get worried that we just sent everyone on loan before giving them a chance. I surely hope this isn't the case with Chalobah and to think he has never played a competitive minute for chelsea.

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02 Aug 2016 14:32:42
Here's a good debate I'm interested in. Is Chalobah more ready than Loftus-Cheek and should he start for us next season because IMO I'd like to see a 3 man midfield of Chalobah, Kante and Fabregas although people may know I'm not Fabregas's biggest fan.

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02 Aug 2016 14:44:36
Yes I think so. RLC is a good player but needs to sort his attitude out a bit. Very lazy at times. I personally think he plays on confidence, take the under 21s he's knows he is to good for that level and it's shows it but when he plays with the big boys he hides.

Chalobah has been excellent this pre season . I hope Conte will give him a chance, but it's typical of chelsea to just loan them out.

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02 Aug 2016 14:52:01
I think Ruben will turn out to be the better player though at this moment in time I believe Chalobah is more ready. He's looked like a man on a mission this pre season and has impressed massively. Both have the potential to be world class though in my opinion.

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02 Aug 2016 15:02:44
Yes. Chalobah seems way more mature, which is normal seeing as he's probably played around 100 professional games already while RLC may have 15-20.
Conte appears to like the 424 formation, and I think Fabregas and Oscar are a liability defensively to play in that midfield 2. Chalobah-Kante could be a very good midfield. Both players are very good defensively (Chalobah was great against Madrid and just in general this preseason) and Chalobah can really pick out some great passes and has shown that he can hit it from outside the box and join in attack.
RLC can stay with the squad, but he has to be a rotation option at best. He doesn't look ready to start games consistently. But being only 20 he's got time to get there and great potential.

I sincerely hope Conte has the guts to play Chalobah with either Matic or Kante against West Ham, because he's been our best midfielder this preseason.

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02 Aug 2016 15:13:27
It's not really a debate IMO. Chalobah seems to have sorted his focus and attitude out, he's always had the talent. What's often been his issue is that when he returns from a loan, next pre-season he was often played as a defender (his initial position when he came through the youth ranks) . As a midfielder (his later, arguably more natural position), he has tactical awareness and good ability - I think his loan to Italy, arguably helped even though he didn't play much.

RLC on the other hand has never really had a defined role in midfield. He often played deeper alongside Baker and Houghton (later Colkett) . He is crying out to be played as a box to box player but needs to be in a 3 whilst his tactical awareness is maturing.

I think Baker is above both of them if I'm being honest; he has all the tools to replace Fabregas, he just needs to be given a decent opportunity.

Charlie Colkett and Mukhtar Ali are the next in line to be pushing for recognition from the Youth Academy,

In summary, my most-ready to least-ready would be:

Baker > Chalobah > RLC > Colkett > Ali.

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02 Aug 2016 15:40:16
I also think tbf to RLC he's being played out of position I'd like to see himplay a bit deeper as i feel the game passes him bye a lot of the time maybe trying him deeper might get him involved more.

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02 Aug 2016 17:25:21
Loftus cheek can't play number 10 with his back to goal a lot, he needs decent time in central midfield, mourinho way of playing would have suited loftus cheek, I'm hoping conte sees his role as a box to box. As for fabregas, blame that on the rest of the midfield. How many times I have seen cesc in space in behind opponents midfield, yet mikel, Matic or Ramires passed backward. Can you really blame him?

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02 Aug 2016 19:15:03
Yes. Chalobah is looking the part.

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02 Aug 2016 20:09:48
Chalobah can solve a lot of issues in terms of squad balance imo. Hugely beneficial to our thin squad (excluding bought for profit loans) . However, having heard Conte speak of RLC I think he is being seriously considered as a first 11 player. Exciting times ahead now we have a manager whom will embrace our prospects. Aina, Chalobah and RLC will likely have caps by the end of the year if included as expected.

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02 Aug 2016 20:29:49
This is one of the most intriguing questions in terms of what will happen with the squad. It seems pretty evident that conte is trying to establish a 442 (424, etc. ) which limits the number of midfielders needed. As of right now we have Fab, Kante, Matic, Oscar, and Mikel in addition to Nate and it doesn't take an accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Compare that with the striking department which is where Conte is having RLC line up and there's a little bit less of a logjam for spots. We currently have Diego, Michy, Traore, and Remy and of that group Costa has significant interest (albeit he would be replaced), Remy will most likely be sold, and even Traore is rumored to have Ajax's attention. As of today I think Nate is far more ready to play in our midfield than RLC is and I'm struggling to see the thought process behind letting him develop as striker. One other intriguing aspect is Nate is only 1 year older than Loftus-Cheek but has been on loan since such a young age that the idea is somewhat forgotten.

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02 Aug 2016 13:23:03
Chelsea players seem to be linked to the exit door but nothing coming of it. Same as players coming in too.

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02 Aug 2016 13:45:46
Really hope Costa stays, be gutted if he left.

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02 Aug 2016 14:32:02
I understand it takes time for a club to do a transfer but surely our transfer activity should be all wrapped up by now. A pre season should be used so that new players/ formations and player fitness can be sorted out. We should not be still buying players after the season start.

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02 Aug 2016 15:14:38
Sound logic but doesn't happen in reality - the transfer window really needs to close prior to the top leagues kicking off their respective new seasons.

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02 Aug 2016 16:09:54
I honestly wouldn't mind seeing the back of Costa at all. He's incredibly hot headed and to be honest is sometimes more trouble than he's worth. I don't think his heart would be in it if he were stay either, he seems to want a move away.

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02 Aug 2016 23:48:32
I'll want him away personally, especially with the new rules. The refs will have a field day.

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02 Aug 2016 10:30:14
I have such a strong feeling that we will sign griezmann out of the blue near the deadline. he could play front 3 with hazard and batman nae bother.

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02 Aug 2016 11:55:57
Me too. Very strong!

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02 Aug 2016 12:21:28
I've said all along I think we will get Griezmann this summer.

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02 Aug 2016 13:10:46
What makes you guys say this? Any advancement or just a gut feeling?

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02 Aug 2016 13:24:03
That would be one great signing.

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02 Aug 2016 13:42:12
Me too. though mine is a Gut feel.

My In's and Out's - Diego Lopez (expect begovic to be part of Lukaku transfer) ; Manolas (Ivanovic expected to go other way as Roma has interest) ; Barbosa (latest news indicates we will get it done) ; Saul niguez (Already offered to us and Ed 018 when asked about him did not respond. so i presume him to come)
Greizmann (Costa. Need i say more) and Koulibaly .

Outs; Begovic, Ivanovic, Costa, Willian (again gut), Mikel, Oscar, Pedro and Remy.

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02 Aug 2016 14:43:01
Be very happy if all those players mentioned left although i'd add moses as well.

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02 Aug 2016 15:08:04
I don't think we will get nearly as much business done. Maybe i'm pessimistic but in recent windows we have hardly done much.

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02 Aug 2016 17:26:25
I would keep pedro.

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02 Aug 2016 17:26:36
No your not pessimistic, it's just not a good time when Man U are strengthening, Arsenal, man city, it's like a double whammy our lack of investment in improving our starting 11, so far just Kante, and city and Utd signings, has me annoyed to say the least.

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02 Aug 2016 18:20:17
Patience my friend. We have had success from the time abrahamovich took over. He is a winner. One season blip doesn't make us any less. We shall bounce back.
Forza Chelsea!

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02 Aug 2016 18:53:10
Only signings from the Manc clubs that worry me and Sane and Mkhitaryan and possibly Ibra. Arsenal haven't strengthened at all apart from Xhaka who albeit a great player I feel an unnecessary signing as Elneny looked good. A few more signings and I'll be very happy.

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02 Aug 2016 19:01:22
Indian Blue

Willian just signed a four year contract - he won't be leaving.
Manolas - he won't be leaving Roma.
Barbosa - I think/ believe he's off to either Barcelona or Juve.
Saul - dream on.
Griezmann - again not going to happen.

Everton will want a straight forward cash deal. Not a player involved.

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02 Aug 2016 19:33:14
Siam pogba will go to Utd, that's 3 pretty awesome players, plus mourinho influence, city signed gundagon who if stays injury free will be awesome in midfield, sane looks class and will improve, looks like John stone will go, I know a lot of people don't rate him defensively but, he will look world class playing for guardiola, Arsenal everybody says they need a CB, dm, and striker well they've signed a class dm, and they look like getting lacazete, who I rate highly, and all 3 finished above us last year, Arsena will get top 4 as always, the title will be between city and Utd, and 1 more spot in top 4 up for grabs with us Liverpool, Spurs, West Ham, possibly Leicester West Ham, I think we need 3/ 4 top quality signings to compete with wining the league, 2 strikers if Costa leaves, a CB priority, and now possibly left footed left back or we'll ever in a rat race for 4 th.

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03 Aug 2016 10:22:50
HI CFC,

As i said Willian was a pure gut feel.

As regards, Manolas - Ed002 explained that Roma don't want to sell. However situation is not in their favour. Also they are interested in Ivanovic. So i give a good chance that this can happen.

Barbosa - Situation is not so clear. but latest news indicates we have offered more than Juventus and Barcelona is pursuing Gabriel Jesus. So again this can happen.

Saul - Ed002 clearly stated he was offered to Chelsea and money was an issue earlier. Also he is Jorge Mendes client with whom we have a good relationship. I don't see why we can't get it done. in my view this transfer stands a good chance.

Greizmann - Though Ed002 stated he was off the market initially, later on he stated the situation has changed and he could move. Naturally he was slated too much and did not update thereafter. But he indicated chelsea are working to get Greizmann and athletico will naturally demand Costa as replacement. Hence this can also be done.

Lukaku and Begovic - I agree everton would want a straight deal. However i think they need a decent keeper whom they haven't found till now. We have one whom we can sell to them. so its win-win for both.

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02 Aug 2016 09:41:12
Eds can you help?

I'm struggling to understand Chelseas recruitment process. I don't understand why we are prepared to pay £68 million (reported) for Lukaku our 2nd choice striker, but we are unwilling (reported) to pay the £65 million Real Madrid want for Morata who is/ was our 1st choice striker.

Just doesn't make sense to me.

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02 Aug 2016 10:51:01
ed always say don't get involved with the fees - it is only this window that I have begun to agree.

firstly, who cares? we have no chance of being the biggest spenders so will no longer get constantly ripped about buying the league

secondly, its not our money it is the clubs and we sure as hell don't find out the truth about wages and running costs week to week so why care so much about the difference of 5/ 10M In transfer fees.

thirdly, the papers speak utter pish when It comes to fiqures (imo)


on another note I have seen a twitter account ( reasonably reliable) claiming arsenal have been in talks for griezza, please somebody tell me this won't happen and that they are in fact going to lose ozil instead :) :) :)

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02 Aug 2016 11:42:29
You missed the point entirely.

Why pay more for 2nd choice when the 1st is cheaper.

To be fair if you read rumours from Twitter then I fear you won't understand anyway.

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02 Aug 2016 11:58:53
Actually caring about the club is also care about club finance. I know we can't be biggest spender or its not our money. But an amount like that will burden club finance and spending for a few years (just like Torres) so i would prefer we spend it on someone worthy.

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02 Aug 2016 11:59:08
Ed said stop worrying about money! Everton still owe money to Chelsea for the lukaku deal still.

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02 Aug 2016 12:02:22
That's only the headline figure though (if that is a true figure) . Agent fees, signing-on fees. wages, etc. all add to the overall transfer.

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02 Aug 2016 12:20:45
Pinky the actual figure is irrelevant it's the principle of the situation.

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02 Aug 2016 13:06:49
hitman - how do you know if lukaku would be more expensive than morata?

hitman - yes a lot of twitter is unreliable but there are obviously some accouwhich are closer to the truth than others. for example if jim white says something is confirmed on his twitter then I will believe it, would you disagree? additionally you say due to the fact I read twitter rumours you fear i'd understand, sorry bt there is no problem with reading them and I have not once said I have believed any.

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02 Aug 2016 13:07:37
It's not the amount that's the problem, it's the amount we will spend on the wrong player that's the problem, if £67 million is the correct figure, I would prefer to bid the same for griessmen, or even a bit more, I think we could get almost any striker in the world for £70 million, we could probably get laczette, and Harry Kane, for that type of money .

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02 Aug 2016 13:21:05
Football and principals don't go together mate.

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02 Aug 2016 13:55:45
Hey Fellas, long time reader (over 3 years) first time poster. Awesome site by the way, love the banter and general chit chat. My 2 cents I'm neither here nor there with the Lukaku transfer, he plays well in an Everton team that he is afforded a lot of space to run into. I don't see that been the case when he plays for us, but he is young so there's plenty of time to develop and that's where the fee comes from. I really hope Costa stays as he is the closest to world class striker we will have even with Lukaku. Lastly with the Griezman and Morata links, I have a feeling it's more of a case of them not wanting to move which therefore makes the money we offer irrelevant. Exciting transfer window nonetheless and can't wait for the season ahead!

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