Chelsea Banter Archive February 28 2013

 

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28 Feb 2013 23:56:08
My thoughts on our season so far. Personally I thought robbie was doing a good job as manager, picking up some good results as well as playing attacking football. Maybe the board regret making such a rushed decision in sacking him and bringing in someone who the fans had a huge dislike for even before he became manager (rafa). On the player side of things, too many players started well and went off the boil all at the same time. Ivanovic started like a house on fire but has been poor in the last few weeks. Hazard started really well but again dropped in and out of games too often. I believe we would get the best out of him in a 4-3-3 formation on either wing. Torres has been awfull, but let's be honest, its just expected now. I also believe we have we have too many players playing the same position, which is why we look so unbalanced far too often. We have bright future with the young talented players in the team as well as the youth/reserves/loanees. Next season could turn into our most important season so far under roman as owner. We need to start off with a manager with his own ideas and not have the board pick and choose players. Hopefully we can get top four this season so we can start a fresh next year.
My hopefull team next season:
Manager. Mourinho
Cech
Cesar terry cahill cole
Luiz fellaini
Sanchez mata hazard
Falcao

NWBLUE

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Sanchez doesn't even get in the Barca team, so why should we get him? Think once De Byrne is back our attacking middfield options are sorted. Agree with Fellaini and Luiz though, they would dominate the middle of the park.

RDM MBE

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To the above post. pretty much all of barca's field would displace ours except maybe mata, so it's not exactly easy to start for them. Sanchez hasn't been at his best since joing Barca but that doesn't mean he's rubbish. If he wasn't getting in the team of like Loserpool etc then I wouldn't want him. But not getting into the best midfield in Europe is hardly a bad thing.

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28 Feb 2013 23:10:09
Will the press ever just give us a break?
Danny

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They haven't for the last 20 years, I doubt they're about to start now.

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28 Feb 2013 22:59:53
Forest fan but chelsea follower commenting on events

1. RA hired him, any signs for him to go?
2. How many managers really fancy a long term career at Chelsea due to RA, the last young, upcoming one lasted months and appears to have galvanised Tottenham, pep didn't even sniff at it.
3. Is it not disrespectful to expect to beat man utd, man city or arsenal every year
4. We didn't want Mcleish but we didn't treat him that badly
5. Until you have a 60000 stadium it will always be this way
6. You don't get a legendary manager unless you create one over time
7. Franks been treated appallingly
8. Terry has been supported appallingly
9. Torres is now worth 5 million
10. Sturridge is a goal scorer

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1. RA has made us the most successful club in England in the last 10 years, it is a success driven business.
2. Money talks, i'm sure we will find a manager easily, hopefully long term.
3. We should expect to beat them, in reality every fan realises this isn't likely for any other top 4 team.
4. Totally agree, the way the manager has been treated has been poor.
5. We need a larger stadium, the club has been actively looking to improve this situation for a while now.
6. We created the legend that is Morinho but i'm sure he is a legend at Porto, Inter and Real Madrid to some extent.
7. Frank has been treated like a 33yr old player, playing in the last year of his contract and being allowed to discuss with other teams new opportunities, it is the media that has made such a bloody big issue of it and especially MOTD.
8. Terry is a legend and the support he received was just as he was cleared in a court of law.
9. Hopefully Athletico will buy him in the summer for more than that
10. Sturridge has excellent physical tools but is very raw and doesn't have a high footballing IQ.

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1 As PB 1989
2 When Moyles (who has won nothing) AW (who has won nothing for many years) and SAF (who is unique) go you will see the last of the so called long term managers. In most other countrys no manager remains in any post long term. Many clubs have made big mistakes by keeping managers, who had past success for too long. How long did Pep manage at Barcelona?It was Harrys work that sees Spurs where they are now.
3 Why is it disrespectful to expect to win a game? Would have thought it more disrespectful to your supporters going into a game not expecting to win
4 But had McLeish gone so public also with respect you aren't on every news cycle at the moment
5 Yep can't disagree
6 Not sure you are right there
7 I tend not to believ all I read in thepress but is he being treated any different to say Giggs, Scholes or Rio at Man U. None of these players have yet signed for next year
8 Interesting the fact is he was cleaerd in court yet charged by the FA. Many players have been charged by the FA and still remain at their clubs. Other issues will stupid or in some instances still are being denied
9 The book value of Torres is about £25 million so we will take a loss bt just as important will be his wages
10 Sturridge will be better judged in 12 months.

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28 Feb 2013 19:47:17
courtois

baines luiz cahill Ivanović


fallaini

oscar

hazard mata ramires


falcao



shaw
moses
ba
isco

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I presume you are sayin baines left back and Ivanovic right back. on that assumption, I don't agree because Ivanovic is shocking at right back because when he has the ball at his feet his passing is THE WORST in our squad! he has been one of our poorest performers this season I don't care what anyone says he SHOULD NOT be in the starting XI! Cesar Azpilicueta should be our starting right back for big games! and Cahill Terry our CB's until next season.

Dan1CFC

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28 Feb 2013 18:57:36
Anyone else fed up with Abramovich? I want the real Chelsea back, players like Ken Monkou, Jon Harley and a greyhound track. i'm sick of buying our sucess its false and means nothing. Please bring back mid-bottom table Chelsea, the real Chelsea.

Mike Hunt Izopen

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With you all the way my friend the good old days, £3 at the turnstiles

mynobswellin

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Wow, real mature names. Somehow I doubt you're actually old enough to remember the days when tickets were that cheap.

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28 Feb 2013 21:53:04
The best post I've read in ages, Dan. That billionnaire and his cohorts need to go b4 they completely ruin this club.
BB

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Roweycfc chill mate, I do remember and was just having a laugh with mike hunt. but it was a better time, but you had to be there!!

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Ruin this club! I'm fairly certain every other team in England would like to be in our position. Basically your hoping we lose games and become a mid table side?
Ridiculous

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Are u kidding roman saved the club for god sake 60 million in the red if it wasn't for him we may not have a club. prem titles fa cups carling cups champions league all down to him wake up he made one mistake by getting rid of mourinho that's it and I hope he redeems himself in June

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Yes we supported the club when in old second division, and through till now, wonder how many would jump ship as quick as they jumped on it, when roman turned up with his millions if we were mid table team, quite a few I suspect by some of the posts on here.

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Yes, as a Man United fan we'd love to be in your position. Sacking your manager every 2 minutes, abusing referees, winning so all. Sheesh

AJH

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I forget, what did you win last season?

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28 Feb 2013 18:41:05
Nathan Ake looks like Ruud Gullit why he signed for us, if he can become a fraction of Gullit we have a star on our hands! give him more game time.
Future is Bright the Future is BLUE!
One Bomb Tom

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28 Feb 2013 18:10:18
Now rafa will get a lot more boo's and the team will then suffer and we will blame rafa instead of Just getting behind team and showing what top fans we are. I can't wait to see rafa go but his right we carry on booing and doing what we have then next season we will be in Europa league and be laughing stock.

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Don't bet on Benitez going, RA has been quoted as saying he's sick of a very small minority of Chelsea fans, he may leave Rafa in charge. to show who's boss!!

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28 Feb 2013 17:07:46
In Rafa we trust!

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28 Feb 2013 17:01:44
Listen. i'm a massive Liverpool in peace.

Instead of blaming Benitez for taking on a iterm job at dare I say, one of the top clubs in European football, maybe you should blame the guy that gave him about the job, the guy who sacked the fans favorite earlier in the year and has completely got his set of fans to turn their attention away from football and solely focus on 1 man.

Abramovic is a wealthy gangster who is treating you set of fans like he'd treat his mistress. Will buy you all the pearls and diamonds in the world to cover up the lack of honesty and loyalty. he's the one who is to blame (if there was someone to blame). B

Im not singling you guys out, geez we have sections of our fans who are more interested in thretening to kill our owners than they are in cheering the team on. People like that aren't supporters they are clearly more interested in teh politics of football than they are about the football!

All i'm saying is before you count yourself as a 'supporter' ask yourself. How am I giving support to my football club?

And before you start your next chant on Benitez, remeber that the players have to listen to that. I think they would much rather you chant their names instead.

Apples '96'

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The biggest 'fan' of our club is Roman, he puts more money into our club than anyone I can think of, he may be part, why to blame for this situation with rafa though, he should have know that he was never wanted here in the first place.
Unfortunately for us he just ain't good enough and has once again reverted to type in blaming everyone but himself for the situation he is in.
Roman is reason we are where we are now and. For one will always be grateful for that.
Whitewall

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Abramovich is very loyal and honest to the club he has done everything for Chelsea he could and if you followed who hired him, it was actually Emenalo who adviced him and convinced him to do it even though he didn't like the idea.
About Benitez he is horrible a manager and the worst manager Chelsea has appointed in the Abra era! And that really says something as we had quite many (Sadly). He has completly screwed up his last 2 jobs and maybe his tactics etc is out dated and easily countered in the modern football, the teams mistakes is quite obvious but he don't seems do do anything about it. We are still playing the ball around to slow and dwelling too much on the ball, it was a problem in the start of the season and he has YET TO FIX IT?"? I mean really he hasent fixed one single thing since he came he just made it worse and he still cannot make a decent sub and always do it too late cause of his stubborn ego.

I do agree the fans should stop singing sh1t about him and start supporting the team instead, but on the other hand he has single handed destroyed our team this season and if this continue we won even be in Top5.

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There's a chance we will be in the top 4 end of season. we have a big cup game coming up against Utd. I don't particularly like Rafa, but I will support the team, we still have a lot to play for, forget about Rafa cheer the team on, get behind them, wouldn't be suprised though if Rafa was given another season

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28 Feb 2013 17:01:25
First and foremost I will make this clear from the start, I don't think Rafa is. Good manager and was gutted when Chelsea got him. Having said that I want to shake his hand after last night, because he his the first person to tell Roman the truth, the hierarchy at Chelsea are a shambles, Chelsea have become a circus of late and most of what Rafa said was true, the players aren't pulling their weight and need to stand up and be counted, his squad his light weight and that's down to the person I personally think should be sacked today Emenlo ( spelt wrongly ), on the grounds the bloke is clue less.

I know this will upset people but salute you Rafa or telling it like it is and not pulling the wool over the owners eyes which most of h Chelsea nosed are doing.

Jacket the packet

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Want to explain to us all what Emenalo's role at the club is mate, because as Ed002 has pointed out, you muppets haven't a clue!

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To Melbourne Fc,

From what I can gather Emenalo looks after the squad and advises RA on who should come and go as regards to the Chelsea squad, well our squad ain't big enough or good enough, we have a lot of young players out on loan example Courtious, Lukakaku Debruyne or are doing extremely well, when week in week out our players ate tired and grossly under performing.

In my eyes that makes Emenlo a bit of muppet like you Melbourne fc or what ever you call yourself. Is that explained enough?

Transitional periods which supposedly is what Chelsea are going through is the time to blood young players not burn out the good ones we have.

Surprised you even wanted this explaining you peanut.

Jacket the packet.
Ps. Check out Enmelo credentials, it's actually a bit alarming that he his and employed by Chelsea.

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28 Feb 2013 15:23:29
Millwall have George Saville on loan until the end of the season

DeLaRusso

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How can someone disagree to a fact?

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28 Feb 2013 15:07:35
I think its better rafa resigns and sit at home rather hanging on.
suerly he might get a job in spain. not with a top club.
fans don't like him, players don't like him. why on earth is he still there is beyond me.

wether we win or loose. wether the records were poor or good.

chelse did play worse than this under RDM and JOSE. simple as that.

allmost all the tiny kids in the world know. how we won the CL with RDM.

I bet same team. today. bayern will ripp us into 5 goals. no matter jose is our manager.

I believe in destiny. and it was written we win CL. before gooners ever do it.

Sack rafa. let's finish this season ASAP.

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For the sake of the club letting one manager see out his contract is crucial, even more so if the results aren't great.

Once managers realise we aren't going to sack them as soon as results don't go their way or they have a falling out with a player or board member the better.

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But what will you say when the special one is sacked?

Puzzled

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28 Feb 2013 14:20:21
If Benitez feels that strongly about his treatment from the fans, he could always make us all very happy and sod off, and if he thinks last night was bad, wait till the weekend comes round, Terry, Lamps and the other senior players should be calming the rest of the squad down, we the supporters hate this interim manager, but love the players, and will not turn on them, so they can play with all the qaulity and support from the terraces, but must except we don't want Benitez at the club. Pimlico Blue

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How can some one disagree with this post, its not rude, just an honest statement, or does this Troll want Benitez to stay, if so then they are not a true blue.

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You are not the SUPPORTERS of this club, you are 1 supporter with a twisted point of view. Rafa was employed by RA to do a job, in my opinion he has done his best with a section of so called fans on his back from day 1. The majority of true blue fans were willing to give him a chance and back him. But a small section of so called fans hurled abuse at him from day 1. It's not our job as supporters to hire and fire managers, it's our job to support the team whoever the manager is. your attack on the manager is an attack on Roman who appointed him. You don't deserve to have an owner who has poured millions into the club. If your not carefull he will walk

A true blue

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28 Feb 2013 12:35:39
George Saville has joined Millwall on loan today, good luck george! DJ

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28 Feb 2013 12:09:34
I was happy with the game and especially ake starting, many on here prefer Chalobah in defence and now many agree with ake in midfield, but as you know I would love this

KDB CHALOBAH OSCAR

it will be special, anyway I was wondering,

Agree for CHALOBAH in midfield
Disagree for CHALOBAH In defence

CHALOBAH ALL THE WAY FUTURE CAPTAIN, NATHANIEL CHALOBAH :)

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Why is chalobah certain to be captain? He could be extremely shy, what good is that!

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Chalobah was captain for the resv team and I bet according to this blokes brain he needs to be it for the 1st team too.

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28 Feb 2013 11:53:35
I have posted very little about my thoughts re Rafa but the more I reflect on things the more I can see why he got the sack at both Inter & Liverpool and my guess is that he will go on gardening leave (not sacked) in the next day or two.
Yes he had a point about the abuse from supporters but those supporters were only responding to the past abuse from him which in truth he was ill informed to state in public just as he was stupid to launch into a verbal attack on SAF.
The song that seemed to cause the issue last night has been sung at every game I have attended, both home and away over his time at the club and goes "We don't care about Rafa he don't care about us, all we care about is Chelsea FC"
Rafa came to Chelsea because of his ego and the club got it well wrong.
He would have known that at Chelsea he was going to be called Interim Manager its the title the club use and have done for many years.
He isn't the quality manager he thinks he is and has a history of attacking his boss in public a very stupid thing to do and something that will only have one outcome. I wonder what his reaction would be if one of the players lanched such a blistering attack on him at a press conference? I very much doubt he would take it on the chin and pick the player again.
So for me he can't be around come saturday.

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Top post Terraloon.

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Chelsea's so-called fans need to grow the f up because Rafa won't be the last manager to say something negative about the club especially while managing a rival, it could happen in european comps as well. Stop the bs assault on your own so-called team, if anything your only protest should be silence. And I'm not sure wtf any of this has to do with saf, why would any Chelsea fan care about things any of us would say about him ourselves.

Bluelab.

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Bluelab

As I said in my first post I had made very little comment about Rafa up till this morning. I for one was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt however last night he crossed the line.
There was nothing new in the songs from the Chelsea supporters indeed their was excitement about Ake making his full debut. So why last night.?
I have heard it said he reached tipping point, the pressure got to him, so enough was enough but there was more to it than that. Quite clearly he is out of his depth and he knows it.
If he feels things are that bad he should say ok I did my best its not working so we shake hands and move on. After all if the majority of us had a big old sum in the bank and we didn't like our boss, our staff, our customer comments we would walk. So for me once he made public comment he loses all my symapthy. If he is unhappy with the title of interim then talk to the board about it but to suggest that he didn't know that would be his position is, well beyond belief as he only had a 6 month contract.
I would have been staggered had he not made comments when manager at lLiverpool but think about this one

"Chelsea is a big club with fantastic players, every manager wants to coach a such a big team but, I would never take that job, in respect for my former team at Liverpool, no matter what. For me there is only club in England, and that’s Liverpool. "

Finaly I don't care what he said about SAF it was the fact that he said it at all. Its no different to Keegans rant all those years ago. Once you rant in public you show weakness for me comes over as someone that is not in control of the situation or more to the point out of his depth.

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Have you ever said anything that was incorrect or dishonest? How many years ago did he say that? Come on man, no ones perfect.

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Still makes no sense because the man all Chelsea fans want Jose rants all the time and the bottom line is, as rafa said, we're hurting our own teams' chances for success. Also, our making a spectacle of this whole thing is yet another black eye on our club and more fodder for the media who already hates us, I don't see any good in this.

Bluelab

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28 Feb 2013 11:37:31
If Ake and Luiz in the holding roles it will be hard to tell them apart with there side show bob hair style but all joking aside they could be fantastic for us in the holding "pivot" role

Ake Luiz


Mata Oscar Hazard

Lukaku

Looks dangerous to me!
One Bomb Tom

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28 Feb 2013 11:18:01
Okay, let's forget all the negativity and talk about that beautiful goal last night. It put a tear in my eye. Artistry from Oscar and Hazard.

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28 Feb 2013 10:47:24
The club is exactly in a position where it shd be. Maybe after 10yrs, Roman and his cohorts will learn.
BB "Bad Bullet".

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28 Feb 2013 09:31:55
to all the glory hunters at cfc, please remember one thing perhaps mr abramovich will get bored playing around with his pocket money and pull the plug on the club. the club does not earn enough to cover the players wages, so think about it you may end up going bang. perhaps you may want to have a reality check and get off rafas back.

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The clubs revenue for 2011-12 was £225.6m (6th in world football). Long term sponsorship deals with Samsung and Adidas hold the club in a good commercial situation.

Even if Roman was too sell the club, he has put provisions in place to make sure the club is working towards self sustainability. World class training facilities paired with a world class academy. The wage bill has been decreasing steadily over the past 2 seasons and will once again be trimmed with the likely outgoings of Essien, Lampard, Malouda etc.

He has been one of the longest standing owners in PL history and has no intentions to sell the club in the immediate future. I'd be far more concerned if I was a Liverpool fan (something I presume you are with the Rafa love in), with the owners looking to pull the plug. A recent valuation done by the club shows Liverpool is valued at less then what they were when Henry bought the club.

Worry about your own issues mate, because Roman is here for the long term.

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Nice one Melbourne? BLUEBOY1

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Good One Mel
JG

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Roman won't leave

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Dafug?, we all go 3 disagrees haha

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Pay no attention to agrees or disagrees Billy. If someone feels strongly enough about something they will comment on a post. Other then that it's generally trolls or people that don't like a perticular poster. Remember, anyone can click a button, but not everyone can have a debate using reason and logic mate.

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But look at your disagrees, they click it for fun, I don't care I'm havin

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Off Course Melbourne gets it wrong AGAIN. Fsg would not get their full investment back. This includes covering 2 years of £50 million losses and whatever this year is too. If you can't get it right Melbourne, I would suggest saying nothing.

The Irish Rover

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28 Feb 2013 06:18:03
The season is lost. The manager is a lonely nut. Fans are anxious and still bemused by the sacking of the popular one and hiring of the hated one.

Fire him today. Just too much of a bad blood. Let Holland finish off the season and place more responsibility on the players. It has worked before.

I mean, we can'tget innew players at this stage, we can't basicly turn the team around by some inovative tactics. But one thing for sure is - you can change the spirit.

I'm sure the fans will support the decision big time. No matter what the players say publicly, i'm certain they'll be relieved.

Come on board, do the right thing. What fan reaction do you seriously expect at the West Bromwich game after this lunatics latest interview?

JG

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You really want to fire another manager during the season? Who in their right mind that is a half decent manager will want to come to this club at the end of the season? Money talks but I don't want a manager who is going to come for a pay day, where making this club a very toxic and negative place to manage. Is Jose really the answer? he'd be here for 2 or 3 seasons then move on again.

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PB, mate, yes I want to. But as we both know I do not call the decisions at the club. I have explained the reasons. This club will not make a turnaround of playing staff, some tactical miracle or anything like that. The only way out of it and a proper run for the results in the spring is an overall psychological boost.

Tell me - this Rafa's rant at the board and the fans and the bust ups with the players (however big, small, or out of context they may have been) - where is it getting us to?

You do imagine the the fan reaction and the boos at the Bridge during next game?

I mean, it is not like I want to, you want to, or anyone else wants to. It is rather obvious Rafa has been told by the chairman or GM he won't be retained and he's hitting at the club publicly. He should be fired for this conduct right away, or he'll continue educating everyone on his achievements and our shortcomings.

And I can personally guarantee you, he'll be swiping at us when he's gone, like he was badwording each of his previous two employment addresses.

This Rafa episode has failed big time. It has got to be finished asap.

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I think Mourinho is looking for a more permanent post. He's already managed in the top 3 leagues with the top teams and won titles in all of them. IF he goes to PSG I see him staying there for his usual 2-3 years but if he were to come back to England I definitely think he will want to stay permanently.

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If I was looking at this from a neutral perspective JG I would be embarrassed to be a CFC fan and it hurts me to say that as I am a Chelsea fan and love the club. I have never said I liked the appointment but it was the board who appointed him, the same board that has made us the most successful club in England in the last 10 years. From what I remember of Di Matteo's last few matches their was outcry on him to come up with a plan b and to rotate the squad, we were playing great attacking football but leaking goals left right and center, the board decided to make a change. Of the available managers I believe Rafa was the best choice in regards to EPl experience, recent success in the last 10 years and a defensive philosophy to sure up our defense.

If you got a new job at an organisation, were told you weren't going to have any input to matters that aren't tactic related, told you would be hear for 7 months on a interim basis, were abused by people every day you are at work, people singing about the previous person whos position you were appointed into i'm sure you would feel rather angry. I personally feel he has handled things very well from a media standpoint, through his appointment, JT questions, the Hazard ball boy incident and so on. What he said last night I don't have a problem with and frankly agree with on many matters, he deserves a level of respect for what he has achieved in the game and the fans, club and players who have under performed have made his job harder.

Like every manager we have had at this club he has his ''perceived'' tactical downfalls, Jose to defensive not enough flair, AVB to attacking not defensively sound enough and the same with Di Matteo, Anchelloti playing Torres in some games were Drogba should have been starting. On a weekly basis none of us fans can agree on a team selection whether it be Ivanovic or Azpilicueta, Ramires or Lampard, Mikel or Luiz, Ba or Torres, Oscar or Moses yet every single game his team selection is ridiculed by a lot of fans, its not like he's playing Cech upfront and Terry left wing.

Mancini won the title last year but he has been slated this year for his team selection and Wenger the same but because he used to manager Liverpool he gets more abuse, I personally find it ridiculous that because he managed Liverpool he is scum, we are not children in a playground.

It looks like he may be gone this week and then who Avram Grant? People who pay their money are entitled to sing what they want and have banners saying what they want, but if they think they are somehow improving the situation or improving the playing performances then their as delusional as the Blackburn fans who were nasty in their behavior to Steve Keane.

We are probably the most hated club in the EPL, have the worst high profile managerial carousel in the country, a perception of a player power driven squad and locker room, the worst PR record of any club in the EPL and yet to add to this we want to sing and hold up abusive material towards our current manager.
We are really selling ourselves to the next manager we want to appoint. Money will talk and we will get someone in but I don't think this is going to end in a fairy tail and when it doesn't I will be the first one to support our club but also the first one to say this is what you wanted now let's face the consequences.

Just my opinion and none of this is a personal attack to any person who comments on this forum.

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For the record he is for the person he is, and not solely on his liverpool ties. The man has some serious character flaws.

My pain is deep. I feel like i'm making love to a ginger.

BlueLenny

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I agree with some of your post PB and disagree with others. I don't see why you want to look at this as a neutral, when you aren't. You are a supporter of the club and I do commend you for the way you are putting the club first, but myself and JG aren't doing any different. We may be expressing it in a different way, but generally, all we want is for this club to be successful.

I was one on here that stood by RDM towards the end of his reign, because as you pointed out many didn't. I knew there wasn't any options out there at the beginning of the season and did not think sacking RDM could be in anyway beneficial to the club. Once I realised he probably wasn't going to lead us to league glory, and that we probably wouldn't advance past the group stages in the CL, I honestly just wanted the season to be over quickly. Have RDM leave at the end of the year, and get the appreciation on the loyal fans. He certainly wouldn't have got it on here, because as I'm sure you'll agree, for most fans, loyalty is now only a word in football.

The last thing I wanted was Rafa. Although he had done well previously at other clubs, he hadn't won a league title since 04. The last two clubs he managed, he destroyed. Liverpool is still paying for the mistakes he made. Signing average players (Voronin, Babel, Aqua) to ridiculous wages. He wanted to swap Alonso for Barry Ffs. Yes he led them to a magnificent CL triumph but he cocked up the league, lost the plot and went on a 10 minute ramble about the FA and SAF and how it was unfair on him that United would win the league. He played almost every game with a 4231. Didn't change it during games, and was well known for 80-90m non impactful subs.

He did the same thing at Inter minus the high wages. And that was only because the board their didn't back him to make the same mistakes at Liverpool. He played a 4231. Didn't change it and once again was known for making late, non impactful subs. Once he was sacked he aired out all the dirty laundry and tried to blame anyone he could.

It was obvious when he came that the same pattern would emerge. And it bloody well has. Same formation with same subs. Same lack of tactical ability to change depending on different in-game situations. When he arrived, and let me make this perfectly clear, he did not apoligize for what he said to us. I have a problem with what he said, but I understand it's football. He managed a rival team and of course he was going to say stuff about us, I expected it. But I expected an apology. We didn't get it. Instead we had a bloke sit infront of us and say 'I will win the fans over with results'. His words. When he said that he took full responsibility for results. He knew that the situation with the fans was bad, he knew he didn't have support of the home fans, but he said he would get the results to win us over.

When those results didn't come, what does he do? He blames the fans for not being behind him. The board for labelling him an 'interim' manager. Do you see the problem I have here? It's the same problem I had when he came. He deflects responsibility so that it's never his fault when things go wrong. How was it the fans fault we lost the CWC? It wasn't. We weren't playing in a 'toxic' atmosphere, we were in Japan. We weren't playing a top European side, and no disrespect to Corinthians but we should've belted them. We didn't. Why? Because of Rafas team selection and tactics. But of course it wasn't his fault, it never is.

Please, for gods sake, don't turn your attention onto your fellow fans, because they don't deserve the blame. Have they a part to play? Maybe a small one, but enough to loss to QPR at home? No. Enough to have the dullest draw in history his second game in charge? No.

I know you aren't taking personal stabs at people on here mate, and obviously I
repsect your opinion, as I have for years, but please remove the media placed blindfolds off your eyes and see this man for what he is. He is the reason we are where we are. Not the board who appointed him, not the fans that haven't supported him. It isn't the Chelsea board that have decided that RM will look elsewhere because Rafa has once again been found out. Rafa is the problem.

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Even though the signs were on the wall that RDM would be gone when the form has dipped and the owner arrived at Cobham, which usually signals the countdown to the inevitable, I could understand why.

Not support it, no. But understand it. Although, barely, as well. You can not possibly justify Benitez selection as an interim manager out of the context that there were no "better choices". You do not sack a CL winner and a fans favorite and then just look on who's possibly available.

Which leads me to think that the Benitez "thing" must have been thought beforehand. Maybe in the offseason as well. In fact, i'm pretty certain there was a contact over the managerial appointment, but the decision was made to carry on with RDM.

Now, what's done is done. But I can tell you one thing mate - Benitez is his own self and he's got a huge ego and even bigger complexes. He came in thinking he'll turn up winning and winning will turn the fans direct hatred and abuse at least into silent appreciation. Well, wins did not come. And they won't. He's dull and his tactics, substitutions did not improve us one inch since RDM.

He did not win over the fans, he did not improve the team and the results. I think he was and still is chasing trophies, rather than a top 4 finish, because his only motivation is personal resume. He obviously prioritized Carling Cup over the League and the FA as well. Even Europa League over the EPL.

Teams selections justify my words. I mean you just do not place your strongest team against Brentfords of the world in a tight congested schedule over the important points in the league. You don't rest your players in a derby against QPR at home for them to be fresh away to Saints in the cup.

So you can say whatever crap you like, he works for his own goals and achievements. He thought he'll get this job permanently. But now he has directly admitted he won't. He is taking swipes at the fans again, pointing blame to the board over the title of his. Excuses, excuses, excuses.

And I myself wholeheartedly can not stand him for this constant moaning. Not because he was a Liverpool manager. I don't recall myself hating any recent Spurs manager, or anything like that. It's just his type, his character I can't stand, not the previous rivalry.

On the other hand, club should have known better. You simply don't hire Wenger at Old Trafford. It really shows we don't have values or sentiments when it comes to managerial appointments.

JG

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I don't like Benitez, never have and I don't understand how RA and his advisers thought we'd accept his appointment. But how many times have people posted on here saying that the team showed a lack of spirit and willingness to win matches. Yes you can say it's up to Rafa to inspire them but the players clearly haven't performed in several matches. Our results aren't solely dependent on Rafa's tactics.
I can imagine players like Terry and Lampard being livid by his appointment due to the comments he made whilst at Liverpool, which is probably why Rafa rarely played them when he first arrived. The atmosphere in the dressing room probably damaged the teams morale with the old guard unwilling to play for him.
There have been obstacles for Rafa since he first arrived, which have lead us to the position we're in now. He should have never been hired but if you were Rafa and offered a massive salary for 6 months work how many of you would have turned it down?
Ultimately the position we're in now is down to the board. They should have realised that the fans would never have accepted Rafa.

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I Wrote a massive long response to you Melbourne and JG but my laptop decided to turn its self off and I subsequently lost it. So I will just say we will have to agree to disagree

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I have no problem with that, mate. It's not bad to disagree. Still, with Benitez at the helm I reckon we'll finish outside top 4. He's up to his own glory, which top 4 does not provide. We need a psychological boost. This regime can't provide it. Simples.

JG

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Happy to agree to disagree PB. Unfortunate your laptop died, would've enjoyed to read it mate.

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28 Feb 2013 01:13:00
Is anyone else surprised that Rafa didn't follow up his whining 'poor me' excuses, after saying the players were at fault with "Fernando is working so hard for the team and the goals will come"? {Ed018's Note - haha, cue the Rafa fanboys}

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I'm honestly baffled how anyone can say this shows he finally has passion or won't go down without a fight Ed. WHAT? No it doesn't. It shows the him for the petulant 'victim' that he is.

Why has no one reminded him that it was him that said 'I will win the fans over with results'. He hasn't got the results and yet it's still a foreign concept to him that we don't f*cking want him here. {Ed018's Note - it's a losing battle Melbourne, the truth is Rafa is not a good manger and to many people don't understand that or want to blame it on supporters which is shit.}

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At Liverpool it was the FAs fault. At Inter it was the boards fault. At Chelsea it's the fans fault.

Pretty clear to me what the constant in all this is.

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The very first post I made here after Rafa's appointment was : "Let the excuses begin"

JG

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Well Melbourne - the only 'we' who count at Chelsea is the Russian. As for Ed018 - who was it that appointed this 'man who is 'not a good manager' Yes - the Russian and yet you rarely get one peep out of you sheep about the laughing stock called Abramovich

Puzzled

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The laughing stock that has taken Chelsea to the next level? The laughing stock that has created world class facilities and a world class academy for the club? The laughing stock that has bankrolled considerable losses over the years, while funding overhauls of the squad?

How silly of us Puzzled. You're being a naive drop kick mate, but you already know that. Why not try convincing your own fans to stop the death threats to your owners, and leave us to worry about getting CL. You remember CL don't you?

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Couldn't disagree with you more Melbourne CFC

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The laughing stock puzzled? Since the abromovic era, who's won the most trophies here in England? BLUEBOY1

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And at what cost to Chelsea's reputation, such as it is?
Everything seems in sync when you have a club captained by Terry and be owned by Abramovich

Puzzled

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Do you honestly think that the fans haven't played a part in our dismal performances? I honestly don't think Rafa's a good manager. But pundits are always saying that if you play at certain stadiums its like the home team has 12 players. So how can it not be the same when all there is booing at the Bridge? You only need to compare our home and away results. Yes our away results have declined but the fans constant booing and criticism don't exactly make players want to excel and play well for Rafa. Our poor results are down to 3 things; poor management, poor morale and poor performances. Rafa, the fans and the players are all to blame.

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Clubs reputation? I couldn't give a rats tossbag what my clubs reputation is in your, other supporters or the medias eyes mate. If you honestly think Romans trigger finger has a serious bearing on Chelsea reputation with managers or players, I'd suggest a name change too 'misguided'.

Any top manager with ambitions on success knows they have a much better change of attaining Silverware at a club like Chelsea then they do at say Liverpool. They know they will have a world class squad to work with, and an
owner that will back them if the results are there. Unless you didn't know most top professionals in all walks of life have a certain arrogance about them. They believe in their abilities and are constantly wanted to test them at the highest level. If any manager didn't want the Chelsea job, for fear of the sack, I'd have serious doubts over their aspirations. And Pep isn't a great example, as Bayern have the same goals and aspirations as Chelsea. Win everything.

Get a grip mate, and let Rafa go. He is the reason your in the mess you are now, the reason Inter has been so poor since he left, and he is the reason we are underachieving.

Don't be so bitter that our owner loves and supports our club, while yours is bolting for the exit.

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28 Feb 2013 11:31:15
it does not matter you guys might have some titles but you will always be a class below united and liverpool. your team has no spine no one wants to play for the shirt and if you guys were so sure that rafa was interim solution and he was going to be sacked than stop moaning and get behind the team atleast support players and club because no one is bigger than the club.

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Melbourne - my posts were not pro Rafa they were amazed/shocked/disgusted at Chelsea's owner. I said similar things to say when RdM went.
As regards all these managers just queueing up for the Chelsea job because they want to win silverware
any manager joining that queue (and there cannot be too many managers left to hire and fire) will be doing so for (a) a good salary and (b) the massive payoff when the oligarch gets fed up and (c) being fired by Chelsea is NOT a black mark on your reputation.

Puzzled

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Roman has fired 3 maybe 4 managers Puzzled, so I honestly don't see the logic in your argument. Just jumping on the media bandwagon, which honestly surprises me. Generally you aren't like that.

Point me in the direction of an owner that has supported a club better than Roman has Chelsea over the past decade.

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To be honest Melbourne I don't think I am like that either! I am old enough and relatively intelligent enough to make up my own mind and very rarely take media-speak at face value. The views expressed in my posts are (always) my own - I believe I know better than everyone else anyway (I really do) so why would I jump on ANYONE'S bandwagon?

Puzzled

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We remember the CL, we should do, we've won it 5 times. Do you call yourslef Melbourne because you live there?

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You've actually won the CL once mate, the European Cup was a completely different competition.

Kp.

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Kp - yes the European Cup was a different competition. Much harder!
More difficult to qualify (you had to WINyour league) and not then all this 'league' stuff where you could have bad results and still scrape through. The thing wasn't changed to make it harder/better, it was changed purely to grab even more money. More clubs=more games= more money

Puzzled

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Yeah ok, it's funny how you don't hear Forest or Villa fans banging on about winning the Champions League isn't it? Its not the same, footballs moved on.

Kp.

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28 Feb 2013 00:28:32
I don't think many managers would want the job of being chelsea manager. delboy (34)

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I would think any manager with belief in their ability would jump at the chance.

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Any manager would take it. It's easy money. You get paid a fortune and if it doesn't work out, Roman pays out the contract and its on to the next job. Best thing is you never have to work more than a season to get paid out.

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28 Feb 2013 00:21:31
Arsenal fan come in peace. be careful boys cus if he leaves now /walks you might be In a spot of bother. I personally think he's a tool, messes with teams too much, but he could just walk and leave you and arsenal fighting for fourth.

Wolvo gooner

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27 Feb 2013 23:57:20
Good youthful team. Could be in place in next 3 seasons

Courtois

Azpilicueta Bruma Chalobah Bertrand

Ake McEachran

Moses Oscar Hazard

Lukaku

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Bruma will almost certainly be leaving in the Summer.

LJ.

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Swap chalobah and ake around then boom

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Where is Mata? I'm afraid that McEachran isn't going to make it. I've watched Boro this season just to have a look at him and he just doesn't take hold of a game and influence it. I would suggest that Ake, Chalobah and Romeu will be playing in that role in the future. I don't see Moses as a long term first teamer. Piazon will definately be a future first teamer! You're looking too far down the line though as Chelsea need some instant metal in that midfield. Luiz HAS to play there! I think they'll bring another player in such as Fellaini.

Chelsea Nick

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I watch mceachran as much as possible and I disagree. When he's played on the left he ain't as good. Centrally he's a dynamite. U obviously only watch highlights nick.

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