Chelsea Banter Archive June 27 2013

27 Jun 2013 21:52:35
Is it just me, or is Torres playing an awful match againt Italy?

Thought he played well, ran with the ball well, played a couple of incisive balls which led to chances. He maybe should have scored but other than that he was one of Spain's brighter sparks. I was surprised to see him come off.

It's just you. He played well. I watch Seria A regulary it's much easier to score
29 goals in Italy than 20 in England. Tonight Del Boske made to many tactical mistakes that is why Spanish had to win on penalties.

Torres scored 7 in England compared to Cavani's 29 in Italy mate. How much easier is it exactly to score? 4 times easier?

It was difficult for him to get involved too much because Italy played with three centre halfs throughout. Also for the most part neither silva nor Pedro spread the field with silva being absolutely awful. Beyond that I think he faced a very tough defense and had one chance and happened to miss it. He had to come off though. He was sucking air from 80 minutes on but I'm glad they didn't bring in another striker because I hope it means he's going to start Sunday.

Tk

I judged him on what I saw in first half, I didn't have time for more, but I think he played bad, Danish tv thought so too, they were surprised Del Bosque didn't substitute him in the half time

It's harder to score in italy. the game there is primarily defence based

Yeah alright buddy he becomes a free agent in 4 years

Why because its chelsea and they can. and when have you actually read or heard from lew stating that its paper talk as far as I know

Melbourne are you suggesting torres is as talented as cavani?

Haha in terms of earning lots of money, even moreso. Sign your posts no names, makes it easier to know who you're bantering with.

I'd like Cavani at Chelsea, but players like Di Natale and Balotelli have similar stats. One's 35 and the other's Balotelli.

27 Jun 2013 17:52:23
Who would fit best xavi alonso, kondogbia, wanyama or de rossi in the DFM role

Kondogbia, we need ball winners and he has more upside and athletism than Wanyama or De Rossi.

PB1989

Kondogbia or Wanyama for me. But I'd really want us to play a lot more 433 next season. That way, Mikel would be used in a better way (I've read he's more suited to it) and I think we don't really need a new signing with Romeu and Essien as cover

Jackson

Alonso for me.

Gers fan here not seen much of Kondogbia, though I can honestly say Wanyama is just a tank of a boy. I've seen defenders hit him and fall like he was a brick wall he's a handy passer & can carry the ball but Mourinho won't go for him surely not, I can't see him signing for any of the top clubs in England Just yet but one of use will probs pay £25million for him in a season or 2 lol Xabi Alonso is a class act one of my favourite midfielders big fan are yous actually linked with him? De Rossi doesn't look like leaving Roma so I can't see that one either. I'm really excited about seeing Chelsea next season I just hope that yous Dodge Cavani & Hulk go for someone younger and just watch this wonderful team that use have flourish.

In the immediate or long term? De Rossi would fit in well in the immediate but kondogbia would do well long term.

Tk

I would prefer Kondogbia or Wanyama due to their age, but I think Xabi Alonso will fit best, because of his good relationship with Mourinho

I don't think any of those names would be the ultimate answer. I would rather wait & see if TSO has any interest in trying to convert or play the likes of Luiz, Rameres, Essien, Ake, Chabolah, in a DFM position.

27 Jun 2013 13:07:43
Any developments on Cavani ed018? {Ed018's Note - not that i know of but haven't had any chance to ask}

27 Jun 2013 14:51:50
PSV Eindhoven confirm the signing of Jeffrey Bruma for about �3 million. The deal will include a buyback of some sort for Chelsea. Just medical left to do

DeLaRusso

27 Jun 2013 12:01:58
Whilst I accept that its plainly clear that Torres hasn't excelled in a Chelsea shirt I do think that those who question his effort for the club are wrong. He puts a lot of effort into his performances even when the results haven't been forthcoming, as for his sulking - I defy anyone to be in the rut that he has found himself in and not sulk a little bit.

Ideally the club will seal a deal for Cavani, but if a deal can't be done then where are the other options that would realistically be better than Torres?

Lewandowski will do one more year at Dortmund before making his move to Bayern, Gomez isn't in that bracket of quality, Aubameyang is more of a support striker (who I actually think would play very well off Lukaku) who would be ideal as well as two other main strikers.

Who else is there, would we spend money just for the sake of it? No matter what happens I'll have some vey fond memories of Torres in a Chelsea shirt.

Fully agree with you about Torres efforts. Chelsea doesn't have to play with only one striker at the moment Chelsea has 4 strikes Torres, Ba, Schurrle and Lukaku. If Cavani joins it will be
5. So Ba will probably have to leave. Torres will be given a chance by Mourinho for sure.

Torres is a good Europa League quality player, however we need champions leage quality. You can never rely on Torres to score when it matters. Scoring 7 league goals is abismal.
Everyone is banging on about him scoring 22 goals this year, but you can count the important goals on one hand, the rest were in 8-0 againts villa, 5-1 leeds, 4-1 norwich 6-0 wolves, 4-2 Reading, 6-1 Nordsjaelland etc.

We need a new Drogba, big man for the big occasion, we could always rely on him to scored when it mattered. We won't win the league with torres, sad but true

Barca, camp nou, champions leauge semi. Hello?
Europa leauge final v Benfica?!
What do some people want?!

Luke

Luke the goal against Barca hardly mattered. We were already through whether he scored or not. If a goal in the EL final justifies his price tag and wage against his output, we are in trouble.

There are too many Fernando Torres haters among young Chelsea fans, which do not understand football as a game, for them it's all about money. Do you really think (Melbourne) that Cavani worths 53m? Or that Bale worths
85m?

To the last poster Ronaldo already payed off his 80m price tag for Madrid through trophies and marketing so I would say yes they are worth it.

Tk

28 Jun 2013 10:02:13
Don't understand football as a game? Mate I am unconcerned with money. You are the one asking if Cavani is worth the fee, rather than solely focusing on his quality. I'm not paying the cash, the club is. A players transfer fee is purely subjective to what a buyer is willing to pay.

Far too many people on here are scared of the FFP implications of spending 60m euros on a player. Why? Read Ed002's fantastic thread which you should be able to find in the search function. 'The emancipation of FFP'. FFP is not something we need to be concerned with, currently. If the club believes we can afford to spend £60m on a player, that's all I need. We will always have the 'rebuilding' line to use against any hypothetical UEFA sanctions. Although those sanctions would probably consist of a strongly worded letter, as has been pointed out multiple times on here!

I stood by Torres for 2 years mate and he was pretty pathetic. I don't dislike him as a person, think he has had it tough from the media since joining, but he hasn't delivered and is not what we need to compete for the title. A handful of goals for Spain against Tahiti doesn't change that.

He scored against reading in the 80th minute to make it 3-2, so that was important.

Melbourne, to be fair barca could have scored so I would say it was important.

Jordan

27 Jun 2013 01:27:33
I'm getting tired of hearing why and why we should'nt sell Torres, and buy Cavani. Torres will be better next season, and Cavani will either flop or be topscorer.

Anyone that thinks Torres should stay is insane and mustn't of watched many games last year. Yeh he scored 20 plus and assisted over 10 but he hindered our play. The bloke has lost it. Get rid now while we still have some interested parties

Give him a break he scored a lot of important goals last year keep us in league cups and europa, his off the ball runs and hunger for the ball improved so much last year, 20+ goals a season is good for any striker

Give him a break? Give me a break mate. I watched every game last year, and he was a hiderence on our build up play. There were games where he went 90 minutes without a shot, where almost everytime he got the ball he fell over.

Unlike a lot of fickle people (mainly no names surprisingly) on here I will stand by any player that loves my club. Fernando does not. He plays for a paycheck. He sulks. He sulked his way out of Liverpool and has never been the same player he was when he arrived in England, nor will he.

He scored a couple goals for Spain and all of a sudden he is getting better. For 18 months I stood by him and said he deserves a chance. He has never taken that chance. Never really dominated a game. Scores against low level opposition, but fails against better quality. Or when he does manage to score against a decent side the rest of his game is utter tosh. I, for one, can't wait to see the back of him and get his wages taken off our books.

Totally agree with Melbourne could not have said it better. Time for Torres to go, he can also take mikel with him.

Spearce96

Melbourne number of scored goals depends not only from striker but dominantly from midfielders. Torres use to play in pair as a second striker. Look how well gets along with Villa. On confederation cup he scored 6 goals in 3 matches and he played about120minutes all together. Torres must stay he will be great next season. He needs back up from fans to get his self esteem back.

4 of those 6 came against Tahiti, who are just plain awful. Those goals don't mean anything

Jackson

He gets $170k a week mate, if what he needs is a 'self esteem boost', then maybe he should try his hand at something else.

Spearce I disagree about Mikel. He loves the club. He plays for the shirt. I remember 2-3 years ago his old man got kidnapped and he still played that week. He gives his all, which may not always be to people's liking, but he does stabilise our otherwise 'weak' midfield. He was an AM when he came here remember, so his game has been altered drastically, something he has never complained about.

Melbourne I appreciate that he gives his all for the club but unfortunately he is just too inconsistent and just not up to the quality Chelsea need in that area. Players like kezman or smertin always gave there all but it does not mean that they should have stayed.

Yea I've got a season ticket mate and watch him every week too, hate him when he's playing bad love him when he saves us yea that's proper support that

I agree with Melbourne, anyone who wants Torres to stay doesn't know anything about football.

He's scored his goals in the Capital One Cup, Europa League and against Tahiti.

I'd prefer to have Kezman back at this rate