Chelsea Banter Archive January 27 2013

27 Jan 2013 21:55:18
Zola doing a great job at Watford, would love it if he could be a success at chelsea...plays great football an is a really likeable guy...

Doesn't demand respect, deserves it but doesn't command it. We need a strong character, Moyes and Mourinho for me the only candidates or a wildcard like petrescu has become an excellent manager has gained enough experience now and is a young mircea lucescu and we all know the job he's done at shaktar
Danny

Rafa demands it but doesn't get it...Jose demands it at Madrid but doesn't seem to get it this year...How can you say that about Zola and then throw Petrescu in as a wild card? Joke...

Petrescu has champions league experience brought a team of rejects collected from Romanian teams like steaua dinamo and rapid Bucharest, won promotion into Romanian liga1 won it were one point away from last 16 champions league then went to kuban in Russian 2nd tier won promotion with them then left them in about 3rd spot for dinamo Moscow who were bottom table and has them 2 points off kuban who have dropped a place since he left. What has Zola done?
Danny

27 Jan 2013 20:01:56
Our main problems are a lack of off ball movement, lack of general width, little ability to keep the ball under pressure(except haz. mata osc.), and very little forward drive. When our centre backs have possession the only people making any movement are the two pivot players. When the centre backs play the ball into either of the two they don't have the technical ability to turn and pick out a pass. The other thing is that torres is like a little child when he is up top. He can't retain possession, he has no movement, he makes no runs, and he can't finish. So you may ask why put him in the team, because of the awkward situation it would create if he were sat two games in a row.

SOOOO.... having said that

we need another striker and at this point I don't care who it is because whoever it is they will provide more that torres.

we need a deep lying playmaker, modric or alonso type player.

we need some passion, some drive, some grit and determination!!

cali

Must agree on one thing: we have a lot of talent, but we have no team really. Benitez is there as a coach, yes, but i'm amazed at how we lack proper bond within the unit.

Seniors feel they are ousted from the club. A lot of players just act on their own. Torres is seriously suffering emotionally, one can tell. I'm not sure how do these guys commumicate, if they do.

I love what Hazard brings to the team, but how come a guy born and raised in modern day Belgium doesn't speak a word in english, is beyond me.

It's like we are looking to fast forward this campaign and finish off the rebuilding process. Lamps, Ferreira, Malouda, Benayoun, Hilario, Turnbull, Essien will most likely be gone. Their places taken by the new arrivals and the loan returnees. And hopefully we'll open up a new glorious chapter in the history of our beloved Blues.

But until then, i'm afraid we'll reach the all time lows. Hopefully, this will serve as a lesson to all of us.

JG

This is more like it JG, not being sarcastic

PB

Agree mate, I remember pre season. essien & mceachran started against psg. yes I know it was a friendly put it worked so well. I believe of mceachran played next season rotating with oscar, debruyne along side luiz & say fernando(porto)or romeu, its the winning formula. psg played lavezzi, pastore. so wasnt easiest of opposition. for a 2 man midfield yo need quickness, a range of passing, drive, and decent defensive abilities. which me personally believe these players have got. we've missed luiz in midfield, badly. just my thoughts. BLUEBOY1

How does a guy born and raised in beligium not speak a word of english? for the exact same reason I don't speak a word of french. he grew up speaking french and has spoken french his whole life. classic englishman, simply expecting foreigners to naturally know english

jscottjr

27 Jan 2013 19:05:24
i think a good season for chelsea this year would be to win europa league and the fa cup as were in transition

Considering squad and manager, a top 4 finish would be a good season

Vincent

That would be an incredible season at his point.

cali

Our squad is no different in size from GK to attackers. only difference is strikers. so this is a BS excuse. we haven't got a manager whos getting the best out of his players. because the likes of jt, cole & lamps bleed blue just like us fans, they can't stand rafa anymore than us.

27 Jan 2013 18:14:52
just read David Moyes is a option for end of the season, if this is true and I do say IF i'd be very pleased, he is a great manager and has kept Everton in a decent position on a shoe string budget and there is never any unrest from them either, would welcome with open arms.
One Bomb Tom

Moyes would only last a season at chelsea and he's never won anything. ..

27 Jan 2013 15:36:14
We don't need no transfers. We are out of CL. Got robbed for a lot of income. Have loads of money attached to outgoing players.

We are transitioning. We have enough quality to finish top 4. Then in the summer the process of reshaping Chelsea will continue.

Buck

Buck - doesn't the double negtive mean you do need transfers

Puzzled

I don't know about that puzzled. If I was to say Liverpool ain't no good, would it mean they are? Because if so, my television just pulled an almighty trick on me.

Melbourne CFC

Melbourne CFC - is that Melbourne Derbyshire? or am I to assume your inability to recognise a double negative proves that you are in fact an Australian?
G'day

Puzzled

Dont go that far muzzled, don't dis the mighty aussies, I'm brittish but I live in australia haha

Billy

I don't want you to assume anything Puzzled. Like Liverpools assumption they would cruise past Oldham, your assumption is in fact also wrong. I do live in Aus, and on these 25 degree summer days, boy am I happy about it. Cheerio lad

Melbourne CFC

'Cheerio lad' ? all that's missing is 'top hole' - I don't think you are an Aussie at all

Puzzled

Jeez puzzled is this season finally taking its toll mate? One minute you assume I'm Australian, the next you say you don't think I am. Your posts of this thread are becoming very Liverpoolian.

Melbourne CFC

27 Jan 2013 14:56:47
Benitez saying that there are no more transfers to be expected in this window. Hopefully a smokescreen.

27 Jan 2013 14:53:21
I personally would like to here everyone's opinion on how they think Chelsea FC are atm and what they would like to change. No needless abuse towards players or staff just a constructive meaningful debate of opinions.

I personally feel we need to replace Torres this window not in the summer with a target man who can finish and has the movement that allows our creative players to feed them the ball in dangerous positions ie. Falcao or Cavani.

I feel we need another Mata/Hazard type of player on the LW to rotate with Moses when he comes back as Marin hasn't convinced me, I would love this to be Isco as he could play anywhere along the front 3.

Lastly we need a strong presence in CM to partner Luiz, I don't think Lampard offers enough from a offensive or defensive standpoint anymore. In my opinion if you take away his penalties he hasn't contributed much to the team, having said that not many others have on a consistent basis.

We need to use these skillful, creative players and feed them the ball in attacking positions so they can beat a player or create a chance, pointless buying a type of player if were not going to play to their strengths.

The manager isn't ideal but were not going to get a replacement until the summer. His persistence on making subs on 80mins is becoming frustrating, I remember Mourinho making a sub 25/30mins into a game because he felt a change was needed and I don't feel Benitez has the strength of character to do that.

Just my opinion, please sign your posts if your going to comment.

PB

I totally agree that the sub's are made far too late. that's down to poor management, If your going to change things it needs to be at the latest 60 mins so they can have an impact. I would love a manager who had the balls to sub at 30 mins if he wasn't happy with things.
Paul42

PB, you must be aware, that not top target is available. I doubt anyone argues your point, but it's just impossible to get those players. Period.

JG

To be honest PB, I think a lot needs to change mate. From the board to the team, we need to find an identity, something that I feel we have lost of late.

Firstly we need a manger to come in, be backed and given full control of transfers. I don't mean Mourinho either, as I think he will not be a long term solution, and when he leaves we would be back to where we are now. Mainly due to his inability to grow youth. We need a Klopp kind of manager to come in and take control of the first team and the academy. A manager that isn't afraid to play youth, and as you said someone that is willing to make changes during games to formation and personal. I personally don't think Emenalo needs to leave as his eye for talent has been exceptional. Bringing players like Feruz, KDB and Piazon and Lukaku shows his eye for young talent. So I would imagine the new manager would need to work closely with him, as most do, but I would like to see the manager given more power over transfers, rather than just being somewhat lumped with new players.

In order to compete with the likes of United, we need a new 55k plus seater stadium in order to increase revenue. Although I'm a stornced believer that FFP is a long way off, anything that can increase our profit needs to happen.

On a playing front I think we need to address 4 positions. We need to bring in a CB for when JT leaves, and as I've said before, preference would be Hummels. Purely because of his ability on the ball and leadership qualities. A holding mid in the mould of Maka. First choice would be either Vidal or Bender, as both are adept at both attack and defence. I personally still think Romeu will become the player for the position, but bringing someone in, while he develops can do no harm. A LB for when Ashley leaves and like most on here I think Luke Shaw is the business. Wait until Ash's contract runs out next year and snap the boy up. He is Chelsea through and through, so I can't imagine him being against the move, and although Southhampton are financially fine, I'd imagine if we dangled 15m infront of them, they couldn't say no. This of course depends on his development. If he regresses next year I would probably look to taking Coentreo off Madrid. Finally and most pressing we need a striker. Falcao or Cavani are in my mind the best options, followed closely by Higuan. All three have an unbelievable eye for goal, can play as lone forwards and have good complete all round games.

I'm using my phone mate so can't check the post, but hopefully it makes sense. Glad to see someone trying to bring sanity back to the site.

Melbourne CFC

The manager really needs to change, it won't happen till the summer but that's first.

My choice would be the return of Mourinho, this would have a further impact upstairs as Mourinho wouldn't work with Emenalo - the biggest problem at the club.

Falcao and Cavani are realistic targets for the summer but any expectations for them to arrive now is a bit of wishful thinking. At. Madrid and Napoli, respectively, are under no pressure to sell now and will get the same money in the summer. Torres is what we have for now. My preference in the summer would be Cavani.

Chalobah will come into the squad and add cover defensively.

Benat and Isco would sort the midfield out nicely.

Surewould

Yes I agree Emenalo has been the source o fmany of the problems we are having. And yet while we are happy sacking managers he reins hassle free. Proitos

First us as supporters need to accept that if we are to reshape the team we may have a season or two without a trophy.
For me Frank gave the sort of display that will become the norm for him and can we really have a player on a £120k + that isn't automatic first choice?We need to be honest and say thanks but no more and whilst it will be a sad day I suspect that JT is fast approaching that same position. Our best central back pairing now doesn't include JT it probably is Cahill & Ivan
We need to trust the youth system and if players don't appear to be going to make the grade let them go a lot sooner ok we will get it wrong now and then but if we do that's tough. We have a lot of players that seem to be on loan all the time these players almost without question won't ever play first team football at Chelsea.
We need to accept that Torres isn't up to it so cut our losses and for next season bring in a top top quality striker who is at the top of his game and we need to recall all the young Belguims and settle them in.
We need to find a player who maybe won't be the most skillful but will take over from JT as captain and who will direct play on the field
But most of all we must say goodbye to Rafa and I would argue bring back Jose as he is the master in team structure and organisation.
Terraloon

JG I wasn't saying that we should buy those players this window at all, I meant in an ideal world and over the course of the next few windows these are the players I would like us to sign.

I think we all agree our club image has taken a hit so maybe something to boost the public persona would help. I don't like the stigma Chelsea has surrounding the club and how the press talk about us and only we as a club and fans can change that.

I have to say excellent post Melbourne, I agree with everything you say, I am a big fan of Shaw and hopefully something in the summer can be done, maybe Bertrand on loan next season to Southampton as a sweetener?

I don't understand why we as a club insist on so many loans, I look at the other top clubs Manchester City/United, Barcelona, Real Madrid and so on they don't loan out 5/6 1st team players a season. If there not prepared to be part of squad rotation or aren't good enough sell them. Loans are only good for development and playing time purposes not as some sort of buy and storage method for players.

Manager wise I totally agree, we need a long term manager who is going to get involved with all levels of the football club starting at grass roots to the 1st team. I like Klopp and hopefully he could bring some of that Dortmund talent with him, cough cough Gotze and Hummels :)

PB

Agree with most of what has been posted. I think it's too early to judge Marin however and Isco is very similar to Mata/Oscar/Hazard in that he prefers to play centrally and I feel we need width. Having said that I wouldn't say no if he were to join us.
Hunter

27 Jan 2013 14:50:27
Every week I see us get done in by calls or lack of calls that spur other teams to victory and nobody talks about that. Clear handball penalty that any other bpl team would get called.

27 Jan 2013 14:41:16
As I have said in previous posts, a season that promised so much as in chances of silverware now delivering so little. This is the worst season for along time.The board and players need to take along hard look at themselves. the board for the constant sacking of managers, and the players to grow a pair of balls an realise they are getting paid a lot of money to perform.
The board need to get REAL football man in to advise, and appoint a GOOD, etablished manager long term, for stability. Then sign players who are hungry for trophies and are willing to show heart. Any true supporter will forgive a loss if the players give their all on the pitch and show commitment.
We have been spoilt in recent years with the amount of successes we have had, now we are coming to earth with a hard thump. Lets just hope we can sign another playmaker to help out Mata. Willian would be perfect for me, young, proven and hungry. Top 4 a must.
Rant over

Bluetrick

I have never agreed with any post more than I agree with this one. So true.
Paul42

All got our hopes up from last season. when to be honest we were lucky

Would prefer Isco to Willian

27 Jan 2013 14:15:18
As much as I love chelsea and appreciate the effect that RA has had at the club, this season is turning out to be the woeful, Rafa is sure not the Gaffa that we require, let's live in hope that Jose returns and rebuilds a new team of legends and leaders as we sorely lack both at times this season

27 Jan 2013 14:08:33
been saying it all season and more so after the A Madrid pasting, you can not play 3 fairys behind a out of form striker! well at least one positive is marin by all rights never kick a ball again for chelsea! and it will stop the muppets who say he should be given a game

2 powerful holding mids who are comfy on the ball is needed BIG TIME!


kevinCFC

Only matta any good rest a waist of money

He has been awful, probably our worst player.

If you hate Rafa and would never support him then why don't you stop posting and find another club to support because he is the manager of Chelsea. Impossible to root against Rafa and not the clubs success and outcome of games. I always found your post very negative, now I will simply skip reading them and ignore your opinions as they are comming from a place of hate.

Bluelab

What are you on about? What 3 fairys? If you're referring to the mazacar trio they didn't start a game together until much later after RA visited training. Ramires was our rw.

Blue lab don't talk like a lemon, if people don't like Rafa that's their choice, so don't go and tell them to go and support another club . Why don't you suggest Rafa go to another club ?
I don't particularly like Rafa and ain't going anywhere, so blue lab wind your neck in .

Peter

27 Jan 2013 14:00:48
Chelsea F.C do the right thing and reimburse every supporter that traveled to Brentford today .

This performance was abysmal and embarrassing, a lot of players need to take a close look at themselves - without a doubt a very very very poor performance and there as been a lot of them this season .

one more thing the old guard look finished !

peter

27 Jan 2013 13:56:57
Before everyone starts with hate posts about the team and the manager just think b4 you write please.

PB

There is a huge difference between hate and critisism mate. If you don't understand the difference then don't read the posts. Proitos

Priotos I think it is rather evident this page gets filled with hateful posts towards rafa after every loss. PB is actually attempting to make the discussion on here more constructive. Something it hasn't been for the best part of 6 months.

Melbourne CFC

Not one point have I ever said don't post criticism as long as its constructive and not deathly repetitive. What i'm sick of, is after a bad performance is manager out, Marin out, Lampard out, Torres is useless. Everyone is entitled to there opinion just don't post hate and rubbish on the forum that isn't needed or worthwhile and especially stuff that has already been said to death.

You look at the regular decent posters they never say pointless stupid remarks or go on pointless rants normally because a lot of us who have used this website over years now are sick of reading it.

PB

PB

27 Jan 2013 13:40:02
What the hell is Benitez doing? 10 minutes left and instead of bringing ba on he bring on a bloody right back!
Fail to see the logic.

Jordan

Typical Benitez substitution.

K

27 Jan 2013 14:14:22
we could have conceeded more goals...

Our reserves should of stuffed them

27 Jan 2013 13:39:39
once again rafas subs make no sense.

jscottjr

27 Jan 2013 13:43:36
Rafa Out Rafa out Rafa out now your destroying our team.

27 Jan 2013 13:33:56
Rafa, we need a goal, 15 to go, surely bring on Azpilicueta for Ivanovic!!
MattF23

27 Jan 2013 13:06:02
I think malouda would still be more than good enough for these kind of matches. Better than Bertrand anyways.
Johnnycfc

27 Jan 2013 12:59:02
URGENT! URGENT!! 2 POWERFUL HOLDING MIDS NEEDED!


kevinCFC

O yes and slow the ball down even more from getting to attackers

27 Jan 2013 12:53:14
I'm not sure you're allowed to swear on this site which makes summing up that half difficult. I am disgusted. I accept we will be poor at times, can't accept a lack of application, effort or desire, we've just carried on from the Swansea game. So far Brentford totally deserve their lead
MattF23

27 Jan 2013 12:47:55
If rafa doesn't make a sub before 70mins, I swear to god we are going to riot!

MB

27 Jan 2013 12:19:06
We must get Courtois back in he summer. Turnbull is hopeless. We need physical strength in the middle. Every team we play against walks all over us. When are they going to see this and more importantly address it?
Proitos

27 Jan 2013 11:25:30
link for todays game?

CFCMUNICH1905

Livefootballstreaming.info

Firstrowsports as always

27 Jan 2013 08:30:44
The part I find most hilarious of Benitez interview: in football you never know, we could win 20 games and win the league! How about winning two league games in a row, for a change, Rafa?

Carefree

And he said he deserves another year