26 Jun 2016 21:57:31
Just wanted to put it out there and ask about the current ownership of the club and if the will is still there to have the club competing Ed002?
Since 2012 the club has been cautious in its dealings and seem reluctant to spend or compete with the supposed big spenders such Man City, PSG, Man Utd etc without offsetting that by selling players.
Is this a change in club policy or is it an acceptance that the financial rules which the club abides by religiously prohibit the club from competing as it did prior to the introduction of these rules?
If it is club policy, what made the club move to being extremely selective of who they pursue from being content to compete for players who may have been overvalued by their selling clubs due to high demand?
If it is the rules restricting us, could I ask how is it the case that bar recent fines from Uefa and restrictions put UCL squad numbers, that clubs such as PSG and Man City can overpower the club when it comes to competing directly for players nowadays. I read their commercial revenue streams are higher but the valuations placed on their sponsorship deals with Etihad and Qatar are questionable at best given the two clubs standings internationally at this present moment. Their is not a great difference in match day revenue although City have expanded with possible further extensions to come and with the new TV money coming in to play for Premier League clubs as well, I struggle to see how. Could you help me on this Ed002 please?
Personally what Mr. Abramovich has done for the club is beyond any words anyone can say but I was just curious to ask if the desire and the will is still there to invest in the football club to have it competing at the highest level Ed002?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - There is no plan for any change of ownership of the club. The club has to meet FFP requirements or be punished - as do other clubs - it is not a matter of policy. I have no idea what you are getting at about other clubs - put aside the extreme example of Manchester City and PSG which don't need to be answered here and give pothers. Generally, I have no idea what you are talking about.}
26 Jun 2016 22:49:53
I think I sort of understand what your getting at. City and PSG seem to be able to do what they want regarding transfers which is frustrating to see as we know Roman has the money but is trying to play by the rules. I think eventually a new super league will be brought in and that's why some teams are not to bothered about FFP.
26 Jun 2016 23:28:26
Ed also understands what he's asking NW I just think he disagrees fundamentally with the question. While it's true that City and PSG, as worst examples, seems to be flaunting the rules in spending (i would also add United under Van Gaal), what players have they outbid Chelsea for head to head? Since breaking the domestic record for Torres I just think we haven't seriously pursued or been in position, for whatever reason, to sign some of the more expensive transfers. The problem may lie internally in the way we project and value players because we've spent a lot and brought in a lot of players but most haven't worked out. Just my take on it.
{Ed002's Note - It is simply not true. MU has done nothing wrong.}
27 Jun 2016 00:09:31
The thing that frustrates me the most is we as fans can identify the areas we are poor but the board just buys for the sake of buying, or that's how it seems to me. For example if kante is available for £20m as reported then he should of been signed before the season finished instead of us pissing about until the end of August. All the other clubs can spend £200m plus for all I care but our club must buy the right player and kante would be something we don't have in terms of positioning in front of defence without being caught out like matic was last season.
27 Jun 2016 00:13:13
Sorry Ed002 for the confusion.
What I am trying to ask in regards to other clubs is that how do the club plan to keep up with the competition and fend off competition from clubs with new TV money if the rules restrict them in their recruitment of players, especially if they are competing against clubs who will overpay despite being conscious of the danger of breaking the rules.
I wanted to ask you Ed002 what the club's plan going forward will be in order to deal with the challenges mentioned above and how they plan to compete against the duopoly which exists in Manchester with Guardiola and Mourinho for players who are of mutual interest give both managers pulling power.
There does seem to be a lot going on at the club at the moment and it is worrying in a window where the club have to get their business right considering the competition are making their moves with City, for example, having got Gundogan and Stones already.
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I really don't understand your point - Chelsea have additional money from TV like everyone else. I don't know which clubs you are referring to apart from goining on an d on about the Manchester clubs. I also don't understand that you are talking about a transfer window that is not open. And John Stones hasn't signed for Manchester City. There is nothing for me to answer here.}
27 Jun 2016 05:52:30
Great post and really simple to answer ed! The question is why are we acting like we haven't got the money when other teams are just buying who they want!
The club is going backwards under this current policy look at the crap we have brought in recently! Pato I mean the bloke fell off the planet and we decided to take him on loan hoping that we could bring him back to form and buy him cheap same with falcao. Honestly this club needs to pull its finger out and change this transfer policy and if a player cost a extra few million what they value for then bloody pay it. Say if Chelsea value a player at 25m and the selling club want 27m we walk away from the deal where others just pay it.
I really can't see what players will come in over the summer all I hear about is players like that Sunderland Italian reject that conte likes. Come on this is Chelsea spend the cash we all know the club can.
{Ed002's Note - The club are not acting like they don't have the money and tyou are making things up about any "policy". Chelsea has been making an effort to buy players and it is difficult - the same as it is for other clubs. The rest of what you have said is simply nonsense.}
27 Jun 2016 09:25:19
In reply to west upper, Chelsea will always compete for the signature of a top player if they feel he is right for the club. Best example to give you is Eden Hazard a few years ago when both the Manchester clubs, who you seem very interested in, were after him but wouldn't pay fee associated with the transfer. We did.
The owner is very passionate about the club as his Son and are committed to building a new stadium and continuing to build the brand worldwide. Income revenue is strong and with the best academy players developing both at cobham and on loan the potential always remains to produce that special home grown star.
We also won the Premier league title very recently and were also the last winners of both the Champions league and Europa league from these shores. Where have the Manchester duo been?
I'm sure Chesea will bring in 2 or 3 quality signings to supplement the very talented squad we have while Conte will also be taking a close look at the younger players. He looks like a very professional and astute Manager and I for one expect us to challenge at the very top for many years to come.
27 Jun 2016 11:54:17
That's all well and good G8 but we no where near that now where we should be more advanced instead we gone backwards signing absolute crap players like pato falcao and the young yank.
27 Jun 2016 13:46:47
Manchester United fan coming in peace here, but as you've mentioned us in examples I thought I should give you a different perspective
You say spend like we have under Van Gaal, yet even United fans think it was ridiculous. You want the balance back between what Wenger does and what LvG did. Right money but more importantly the right players
Last season you spent 21 million on Pedro stealing him from under Utd's noses. Now he hasn't worked out but you beat us to a transfer there. Season before it was 30 million on Fabregas, 32 million on Costa, 26 million on Cuadrado. Hardly tight purse strings and 2 of the most sought after players in world football
Chelsea's gross spend on players is the highest in the premier league over the last 5 seasons, and net spend is the 3rd highest behind City and Utd. If it wasn't for Woodward and LvG paying silly prices almost as a statement you'd be 2nd in the league for net too
Sorry for the long winded post but from an outside perspective you guys are doing just fine transfer wise, and I'm sure when you actually get your new manager in working for you you'll carry on doing fine.
27 Jun 2016 14:06:52
Cheers Mike, nicely put. Our problem has not been not buying players but buying the wrong ones - Cuadrado (although I think he may still come good), Rahman, Djilobodji, Hector, Miazga, Luis, Remy, Eto'o, Atsu, Salah, van Ginkel, Schurrle - these have all been bought in the last 3 years! But we have also bought Fabregas, Costa, Zouma, Matic, Willian, Begovic, Kenedy, Pedro since 2013 - hardly a club not spending!
27 Jun 2016 14:51:47
Hi MikeT80, I'm the one who wrongly (Ed corrected me) thought you lot may have violated FFP over the last few years. I guess after reading every post on this site on that subject for several years now I'm no closer to an understanding of how Ffp works.
You made some good points which my post supports in that we've spent a lot but perhaps not usually on the right player. However, since Jose's return we've sold Lukaku, Mata, DeBruyne, Luiz, Luis (lb) just to name a few which has paid for the majority of the players we bought.
Again I don't recall us losing a bid for an expensive player from a rival due to money in recent years, so I'm not in agreement with my fellow CFC supporters about the club not spending. I just think it's more frustration about who the money has been spent on such as nearly 20mil for Baba.
27 Jun 2016 16:18:14
Oh I totally agree with the bad spending on the wrong players bit but then again so have Man Utd (Kagawa, Buttner, Di Maria etc) and Man City (Otamendi, Mangala, Bony etc)
I thought Baba was a desperation buy, and wasn't he the player Jose had never even seen play?
Honestly it could be a plethora of things causing the expensive misfires, from the head scout not taking things like league suitability into account to feeling pressure to spend big to appease the fans. But we all have plenty of those recently, and just wanted to show that from the unbiased outside view of another club, most would agree if they're honest that you guys have done way better transfer fee wise than the likes of my own Manchester United as we are the yardstick for 'what's the maximum any team will pay' at the minute.
27 Jun 2016 08:46:58
Sorry ed and not arguing with you but it's not nonsense, we acting like a small club on a tight budget! The money is there and they walk away from a deal if it's a few extra million out. Just get the deals done. Instead of going in low for players go in and make them a offer to good to turn down and sell the club to the player tell them the project.
There is obviously a transfer policy at the club because there are number of people get involved in the deals so you can have some agree and some don't like you been saying bout lukaku! Some people need convincing! That's got to stop should be conte and Roman that's it. The manager should have total control on who he wants not others giving him players
Rant over lol.
{Ed002's Note - You have no idea what you are talking about at all.}
27 Jun 2016 13:11:19
I think NWBlue raised a good point about the potential super league. Ed, is it possible that clubs like Man City who don't seem to care for FFP rules are still spending freely because they believe of is supposed super league.
27 Jun 2016 21:39:31
Whereas I don't agree with everything said it does annoy me that the politics of the deals gets in the way sometimes, such as the lukaku deal, I couldn't really care less whether the odd person was offended by him he's a good player and that should be the only thing that matters, the fact that a deal cannot be approved because a few people value themselves and their own pride more than the best interests of the club doesn't sound that great, I'm pretty sure Ashley Cole wasn't an angel but he was still one hell of a player who we signed, mkhityarian is another deal that we weren't willing to do due to his demands that United were, I may be completely wrong but generally I feel a footballer should be signed because of his ability on the pitch and not much else.