Chelsea Banter Archive August 25 2015

 

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25 Aug 2015 20:12:46
How good is pogba defensively as from all of the highlights of him I've seen he looks a bit rash when tackling and doesn't have much of defensive work rate, . I might be wrong and tell me if I am. If we need someone to shore up the mid then witsel is probably the best short term solution. I understand pogba would be the best long term signing and is world class now but I'm just not sure about his defensive work.

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25 Aug 2015 20:22:47
The best short term solution is Loftus-Cheek but he won't be given a chance.

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25 Aug 2015 21:24:00
Better than fabregas

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25 Aug 2015 21:47:02
Why is Ruben the best option when Jose had to publicly call him out for too much standing around and not enough work rate when he doesn't have the ball. I'm not saying he can't become that player for us but where is the evidence that he can walk into our 1st team as a DM next to Matic.

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25 Aug 2015 23:06:33
Mourinho called him out because he rates him I though that was obvious. He done the same to Hazard two years ago and look how hard he worked,

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26 Aug 2015 00:27:33
If all you've seen if Pogba is highlights, I'd assume its the same if Witsel, and its probably best not to pass comment on who would be 'the best long term solution'.

Probably one of my biggest pet hates. People making statements on the ability of players, they have never seen play.

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26 Aug 2015 01:05:05
MagicalEden while Jose does like and rates RLC he called him out because it was true, the same with Hazard 2 years ago when he wasn't tracking back and working hard for the team. Hazard to his credit took it to heart and worked hard to make himself a more complete player.

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26 Aug 2015 04:10:46
Don't understand people's love for Witsel all of a sudden. From what I've seen of him in the champions league over the years, he is average at best. To be honest we are better off with what we have over signing him.

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26 Aug 2015 07:51:34
Witsel is an ok midfielder. Don't get me wrong if he came here to be a bench warmer, I'm fine with that but to even consider him starting. In a our midfield is quite worrying people want him here for that.

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26 Aug 2015 08:22:34
I think it falls into the same category Blueboy. People here a name and want a shiny new toy so just jump onboard. Rahman is a perfect example. I would predict one or two posters, at most, have seen him play. At most. Yet everyone puts him in their starting XI.

Its why the eds are generally the only source I will listen to regarding a players quality. Most posters will just post stuff they've read and make it seem like they know everything about every player. If the Eds haven't seen someone play, or not enough to judge them, they say so. Ed001 does it constantly, and so when he says something about a player (Fabregas will go missing) I find its almost always spot on.

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26 Aug 2015 10:41:19
Melbourne, I agree with most you said. But on your Rahman point. A lot of people probably would want him to start because Ivanovic has been dreadful for 3 games now. I think most just figure Rahman couldn't possibly be worse right now :-)

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26 Aug 2015 15:42:14
I kniw Jackson. But we were linked to Rahman before the season started, and he was already in peoples XI.

It was just an example, but just watch how frequently when a club is linked with a somewhat unknown player, how quickly the fans praise the new toy, and pass judgement on his ability, when they've never seen them play. Its ridiculous

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26 Aug 2015 16:21:08
That's definitely true, I won't argue with that :-)
I think it's in the nature of football fans. There's a new signing, most are very excited and in that excitement we tend to go overboard. I'm guilty of the same thing myself from time to time. It'll lessen once he starts a few games for us. Right now we can only guess how he'll turn out for us, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing him start against Palace. Can you imagine what Zaha/Bolasie will do to Ivanovic on the wing? That won't be pretty ;-)

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26 Aug 2015 22:56:16
They can anything they want to any player who is left to be 1 on 2 against opposition. In May they've looked harmless but our midfield played far better defensively then presently.

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25 Aug 2015 19:42:10
What's the reaction if we were to secure Stones by offering cash and Cahill?

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25 Aug 2015 20:03:39
None,because we need one more defender and Stones is probably the one.Moses is more likely to be offered to Everton. Plus Everton must find replacement for Stones.

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25 Aug 2015 20:15:43
No not for me, Cahill is not rated by a lot of fans but for me if our next game was against barca, I'd rather have Cahill playing than John stones. Stones looks calm and likes to pass the ball out from the back but lacks valuable experience which will only come in time. But if Chelsea are willing to pay £40m for a player then I can't see him being on the bench.

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25 Aug 2015 21:08:58
I've always admired how Cahill will just throw himself in front of the ball to block and he's hard as nails but he does tend to switch off

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25 Aug 2015 22:28:19
Cahill is a world class shot blocker and it's true that he's a warrior who will throw his body into the line of fire but a good(not even great) defender has to do more that just retreat and concede space and then try to do the goalkeeper's job. He's below average when taking on players especially 1 on 1 and his change of direction is slow and he sometimes takes bad angles which is bad for a cb. An example is the first goal conceded to Aguero against City, Aguero was dribbling from Cahill's right to left across the top of the 18 and he was marking him. Once Aguero got a little passed the center of goal Terry stepped up to double and instead of using/trusting his partner to contain Aguero or block a right footed attempt on his side, Cahill committed himself to Terry's side and allowed Aguero to do a simple stop and reverse and less than two steps later could roll a left-footed shot in the bottom corner without Cahill even having a chance at a block. I'm sorry, and I know Aguero's a very good player, but that's the type of poor defending I've seen from Cahill for the last 3 seasons despite our team success. He was even worse for England at the world cup. He's also good at defending set pieces, again sacrificing his body, but the small, quick, skilled players up front for Barca would eat him alive.

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25 Aug 2015 23:04:08
Cahill is a good last minute tackler/ shot blocker but if he was better defensively he wouldn't be forced into such actions so often.

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26 Aug 2015 01:17:24
Well put Fuser, made me feel a silly for writing a book but I just wanted to rant a little.

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26 Aug 2015 03:15:02
To be fair the forwards at barca would eat any defender alive Cahill done well at Chelsea he's a good lad I don't see the need to be to harsh on him remember when he came first he had to play with David Luiz anyone would look bad playing with him cause he was so exposed over Luiz been rational

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25 Aug 2015 19:15:49
Haha rahman Squad number changed from 6 - 3, maybe a hint stones will take the #6 shirt

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25 Aug 2015 20:05:23
Pogba was number 6 last two seasons at Juventus. But he might get 8 unfortunately.

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25 Aug 2015 21:25:18
Where u see he's taken 3? He went from 17 to 6 for pedro, now 6-3 for pogba? He wore 6. Getting interesting. Or it could be stones

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25 Aug 2015 19:14:30
I love how on the everton page they all think Stones has handed in a transfer request due money reasons
Lol

Not the fact we have an ageing defence that hasn't started well and a prime opportunity to get into the first team. Also to gain experience from the likes of JT Iva Cahill. London could also be a good selling piont.

I'd understand if the everton fans were saying that if City was interested knowing they have 2 decent centre half at the peak of there prime and he wouldn't get in city's first team. This is not the case at chelsea.

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25 Aug 2015 19:37:44
Haha I seen that I just use to think it was the Liverpool fans around there that were deluded. I've changed me mind. I actually quite use to like Everton before they've all gone mad about Stones. Do they actually think a potential world class player will stay there for his entire career lol?

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25 Aug 2015 16:52:47
Eds we have today been linked with garay, is there any truth to this or is it more to force John stones hand in asking for a transfer (which he has now done).

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{Ed018's Note - kinda looks that way}

25 Aug 2015 20:04:17
Well it worked

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25 Aug 2015 17:20:42
Perhaps these Garay and going back to Varane rumours were to make Stones put in a transfer request.

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25 Aug 2015 17:55:26
Off course they are. Spin doctors are doing their job.

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25 Aug 2015 17:19:43
Hi Ed, any update regarding Lacazette? it seems that Remy has fallen down the pecking order and wants to go, any other strikers that chelsea might be interested to replace him?
Thanks and keep up the good work!

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{Ed018's Note - not right now}

25 Aug 2015 17:12:44
Go on Stonesy lad.

He wants to play for the champions. Let's gets this deal finalized. It's always nice to have homegrown players. Him and Zouma could potentially be our starting center backs for the next ten years.

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25 Aug 2015 16:28:42
Stones transfer request in see if that makes a difference

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25 Aug 2015 20:50:46
According to Martinez reaction it seems it does.

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25 Aug 2015 15:21:06
Hope these Garay rumours aren't true. Never really rated him. Anyone remember when Torres left him for Dead in the Europa league final. I'd prefer Stones as he's homegrown. If we can't get him it's surely got to be either Varane or Laporte.

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25 Aug 2015 13:46:46
Anyone have the feeling our season depends on whether we get a Pogba or someone to shore up the midfield? I think if we don't get someone in we can forget about challenging in the champions league this season but if we get Pogba or someone we could easily be challenging come may.

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25 Aug 2015 15:16:59
Totally agree with what u saying but still also think we need a solid centre back terry and Cahill for me just not gud enough don't no what's happen to them it's a weakness also ivanovic lost all his pace makes us even weaker. Dave needs to be at right back Rahman left zouma and another stones/garay. But like u say that midfield area is just as important we need someone in there to help matic at least the positive thing is the club are looking to bring a centre back and a centre mid in just hope the have back ups if the number one targets don't work out because like you say if we want to push for champions league what we have isn't good enough

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25 Aug 2015 16:03:27
Pogba or no Pogba, Chelsea will not challenge in the CL this season. All the english sides will be out before the semi's

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25 Aug 2015 16:14:43
One man doesn't make a team sadly. We all know he would give the team an improved boost and this week will be l-o-n-g and full of brinkmanship from all parties. Personally I wish we had also got Griezmann as he would have given us that added firepower. I just hope that if we look like failing anywhere there are no panic buys.

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25 Aug 2015 17:59:36
One man doesn't make a team your correct but it can finalise a team (complete a team)

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25 Aug 2015 19:23:25
Totally agree Nibby01 that's why I mentioned G as that is an area I think we fall down on but under the circumstances Pogba would add great deal although I am still not sold on Pedro long term once his style is worked out by the Lee Cattermoles of this world.

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25 Aug 2015 19:32:59
Excuse me, finalise!? Based on what I see toward on team, there are at least 2 positions that need to be improved beside a CM to pair with Matic.

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25 Aug 2015 19:58:19
Daton: On the 'assumption' his form is on the up, what's wrong with Oscar?

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25 Aug 2015 11:36:21
Costa back to Atletico nonsense is back again, and what a surprise MARCA are behind it! Have they not given up their hatred of Mourinho yet?!

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25 Aug 2015 12:33:06
Allegedly that was happening in June. A.Madrid president was aware that Chelsea will never let him go plus if somehow (which is impossible) Chelsea agree to sell Costa A.Madrid wouldn't be able to finance such a deal.
So that story is total BS, papers have to write about something.

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25 Aug 2015 13:10:42
Yeah,MARCA started it back then as well!

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25 Aug 2015 10:42:47
Hi new on here
I know you are all going to say that's not how transfers work but
We want pogba allegedly so why would we let them have Cuadrado on loan I know he is rubbish but I'm sure they weren't the only club willing to take him on loan, so was it a friendly gesture to sweeten a deal plus Oscar or rami going other way hopefully Oscar never quite taken to him
Plus I love hazard think he could be future best in world but wish he was more selfish like ronaldo
In front of goal. he can be a bit of a gooner always looking for that killer pass instead of just shooting

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25 Aug 2015 12:01:40
Welcome, mate!
Just don't say you want Oscar to leave, he has to stay ;-)

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25 Aug 2015 13:50:53
Becuase the club are business men, not kids, who get upset if they don't sell them a player

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25 Aug 2015 13:56:04
I agree Oscar has to go

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25 Aug 2015 15:39:29
They are two seperate deals.

Why be so petty that if they don't sell us Pogba (because we don't offer what they want), we refuse to lend them a player? How well do you think other clubs would deal with us, if we took that tact?

You have to remove your emotion from transfers. As Ed002 constantly says, playersare simply transcient employees of the clubs. They come and go, while the club remains.

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25 Aug 2015 17:29:24
Sure, we all saw how fantastic Chelsea negotiated concerning Abdul Baba Rahman. We were not held for ransom at all.
Players are like any other good, they worth as much is someone ready to pay for them.
There's no difference if we pay 100m€ for Pogba or 50m€ for Stones or 30m€ for almost unknown fellow like Abdul Rahman Baba.

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25 Aug 2015 20:09:27
Gianfranco, Cuadrado is not rubbish, he simply couldn't adapt to PL football style. That was bad estimation made by people who decided to sign him.

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25 Aug 2015 02:38:44
Alright guys and Ed.

Bit of a fun post. Who are the 5 best players in the premier league you think in order from 1 to 5?

Mine are?

1) Aguero
2) Hazard
3) Sanchez
4) David Silva (he would've been higher but I think he only does great when he has pace either side of him.)
5) Diego Costa

If I also went from 6-10 it would be:

6) Yaya Toure
7) Courtois
8) Coutinho
9) Kompany (When on form best defender in league for me.)
10) Matic

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{Ed001's Note - I would go:
1. David Silva
2. Sanchez (the work rate alone turned Arsenal from struggling to break top 4 into a team fighting for 2nd)
3. Aguero
4. Hazard - I think you could really put these four in any order and make a good argument for why though to be honest.
5. Matic

25 Aug 2015 06:33:31
Aguero
Sanchez
Silva
Hazard
Ozil

(No love to defenders :P )

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25 Aug 2015 06:45:37
1. Aguero
2. Hazard
3. Silva
4. Sanchez
5. Toure

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25 Aug 2015 07:35:43
Hazard
Pedro
Costa
Courtois
Matic

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25 Aug 2015 07:53:15
1= Aguero, Hazard
3 Sanchez
4 Silva
5= Toure, Matic
Any of these players (on form in Toure's case) out of their teams leaves a huge hole which affects the teams results.
TBH Man City look fantastic so far this season, however any one of their three being unavailable/injured will have a huge impact on their season as it did last year. We could, I feel, deal with Hazard being out injured, The Arse could keep getting results without Sanchez, but City are stuffed if any of those three are injured or out of form, therein lies their archillies heel- see last season! My prediction (much as I hate to admit it) is that if City have those three on the field and in form they will win the league in a canter this year. However Toure's birthday is coming around and if he doesn't get a cake this year again it could be all over for them. Poor little "precious" footballers!
All toungue in cheek, I still think we can win it again, however I really do believe that Toure's form is the difference for City, so maybe he should be higher up my list.

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25 Aug 2015 09:35:22
1.Y.You're
2.Aguero
3.Matic
4.Fabregas
5.Rooney

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25 Aug 2015 11:07:02
1 Jonathan Walters
2 john obi mikel
3 Balotelli his work rate alone turned Liverpool from a CL team into a Europe league team thanks Mario
4 Cuadrado it was like watching a new born horse on roller skates trying to dribble a rugby ball
5 mezzitup ozil the Torres of North London looks great on the ball until a player or goal are in his sights and those massive tarsiers eyes just get blurred
But seriously

1 aguero or hazard aguero gets to many injuries
2 costa work rate and his annoying just makes me laugh
3 kompany
4 dave always consistent
5 silva but to lightweight in big games my opinion would be 3rd

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{Ed008's Note - LMAO Balotelli turned Liverpool into a Europa League team you really are deluded.

1. Aguero
2. Silva
3. Sanchez
4. Hazard
5. Yaya Toure

25 Aug 2015 11:18:45
Kiwi pete all well and good saying if man City get injuries
What about us say matic hazard get injuries and costa gets a ban at same time then what all clubs have that problem

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25 Aug 2015 11:36:27
1 pogba
2 stones
3 baba rahman
4 kennedy
5 nathan

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25 Aug 2015 11:44:32
Aguero no 1 Sanchez no 2 hazard no 3 David silva no 4 David de gea no 5

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25 Aug 2015 12:03:15
I wouldn't put Sanchez in the top 5. After watching him more closely last season I don't think he's on the level of e.g. Hazard and Toure.

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25 Aug 2015 12:04:51
To the turtle guy I was merely make a joke of what ed08 said about sanchez in above post I am well aware that Balotelli wasn't alone in lfc second rate season under cfc youth team coach it was a joint effort they were all rubbish especially the transfers,who was on that board
Jimmy tarbuck
Stan boardman
And the cast from bread
They wanted replacement for suarez
And bought ricky lambert lol it was a joke about the worst players in premium in my opinion including a chelsea player but typical lfc fan over sensitive

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25 Aug 2015 13:52:33
Turtle guy lol

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25 Aug 2015 13:58:30
Serious about Sanchez Jackson? That is a huge surprise he was outstanding last season his work rate and goals carried arsenal through a lot I thought he's a top class player in my opinion and top 5 all day long I think he would get a game with any team in the pl

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25 Aug 2015 13:59:04
Plus I think we all agree last season ya ya toure was absolutely woeful

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25 Aug 2015 14:15:25
1 Hazard. Consistently won his team the big games when they needed him to.
2 Sanchez
3 Aguero. If he played a full season at 100% he would be #1 but he only plays 80% of games a year.
4 Matic. Best defensive mid in the game. The fact that cesc can play in a deep lying position next to him shows how good he is.
Beyond those guys you could very easily argue for any of de gea, silva, toure (held his team back last year but when he's on he's unplayable), kompany, costa (misses too many games), Terry (if we're going off last year). For example Dave is the best fullback in the world but he isn't a match winner like some of the previous mentioned.

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26 Aug 2015 06:31:34
gianfranco gola, I take your point but would point out that Costa was out injured/suspended for a fair time, Matic was suspended and although always there Hazard's form did dip a little towards seasons end (due to fatigue I feel) but we still won the league. City with the same problems did not maintain any consistency. Herein lies the difference between the two clubs(you can lump The Arse in here as well) Jose plays tactical winning football not "beautiful" football and has it over all the other managers in the EPL in that regard.
Is it a coincidence that, although bitter enemies on the pitch, Jose and Sir Alex were great mates off it as they realised when looking at each other they saw themselves.
I hated Sir Alex with a passion, because he was theirs not ours. We have the next Sir Alex in Jose, and he's ours.

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