Chelsea Banter Archive October 21 2014

 

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21 Oct 2014 22:38:43
Jackson, could not have put it better with Cahill. Think a few got a but confused with what in trying to say with high line ect.

I've also said for a whole until someone can make that next step, Ivanovic should be given a go in that CB position

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Let it go men, LET IT GO!

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Woah man, this page is dead. Igniting it with a debate is not something that should be discouraged.

It's not exactly a fight lol

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I only wrote the post because someone didn't fully understand the point I was trying to make. Don't worry, it's nothing we're upset with or anything ;-)

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Really Aron I have to hand it to you you are bringing some good vibe and reaction on the page back ( with Jackson and LRDlt )but try joggling the conversations mate, or it can get rather sticky. :).

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21 Oct 2014 20:58:59
Hazards frustrated me so much tonight could quite easily of had a hat trick if he learnt to shoot first time. Needs to release the ball quicker.

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{Ed018's Note - I've spent most the match complaining about the same thing but still two goals}

Fully agree. Still man of the match though

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Pureclass tonight eden

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21 Oct 2014 21:53:44
Haha I've still ate my words ed. World class for the 6th goal. I'm always going to ask for more with Hazard all the time because I expect so much from him. Thought Nathan Ake was great when he came on prefer him to Mikel tbh, Zouma had a good game too oops better not mention that subject or cahill again lol.

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He's so good on the ball I mean so good that almost everytime he holds it and runs at defenders you feel something would happen and it almost always does. All his lacking is goals, not end product cause he fairs well in picking players but he has to work on his shooting if he does he would easily be top five in the world if not top three. Right now he just about cuts the top ten list good thing he knows he has to be more decisive infront of goal. As Ed018 said still two goals. Brilliant player quand meme.

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Hazard is looking dangerous every time he picks up the ball lately he's making players look amateurs when he puts them on their backside, shame he didn't get the hat-trick, could of had 4 in my opinion but great performance from the whole time

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The team was in full on attack mode, and I was glad to see it.
Indeed Hazard was superb. That pass from Ake for the 6th goal wasn't half bad either, especially for a defensive midfielder. He made a good impression again and I think he can be trusted with minutes against lesser sides every now and then.

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Eden Hazard is average left midfielder, excellent right midfielder and fantastic central attacking midfielder.
Our problem is that we have Fabregas and Oscar which is a sweet problem for Jose Mourinho.

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21 Oct 2014 19:14:40
Now I saw we are not resting Hazard and Willian. We have MU game soon. I would rest those two players,hopefully Jose knows the best.

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21 Oct 2014 19:08:57
I hope Mourinho might start with Courtois,Azpillicueta Ivanovic Terry Luis, Matic Ramires Salah Fabregas, Remy Schurrle

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Remy injured. Drogba or solanke.

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21 Oct 2014 18:22:47
Aron and jackson . what is this next step and cahill debate I thought we already stepped up when we won the champions league WITH cahill.

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This next step I refer to is a transition in our style of play towards becoming a truly dominant team.
Yes we won the CL, but I don't think anyone would disagree with me saying that we were dominant during that run. We got lucky a couple of times and showed a lot of heart and fighting spirit. I'm not saying we played badly or anything, just that we didn't dominate, especially against the bigger teams.

Mourinho has already referred to a change in playing style last year. Playing with a high defensive line, pressuring high up the pitch and most of all not leaving a tonne of space between the midfield and defense.
For such a system to work, it requires centre backs with some specific skills (at least IMO). They should have decent pace and good reading of the game. That way they can anticipate and defend PROactively instead of being reactive. I think Cahill is a great reactive defender. He backs off a lot and makes last ditch tackles and clearances. And to be fair to him, he's great at the last ditch stuff. But in a high line, those aren't the characteristics you're looking for.

Look, this is just my opinion. I'm not a fan of spending till we have a world class option in every position. But I really feel centre back, and thus Cahill, is a position where we could use some fresh faces. Terry isn't particularly suited to a high line either, but his leadership qualities and organisation of the team are invaluable right now.
Either the loanees step up or someone new gets brought to the club.

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I agree completely, since Jose has come back he's been teaching all the players about controlling the game & counter attacking when we play teams that also try to control the play like Man City, Cahill is the right man for me it's just a dip in form I think, every player goes through it

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21 Oct 2014 11:41:26
Ed033's Note - please use the contact form, Aron.

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21 Oct 2014 10:42:29
Woody89 and Maticthebeasy got a tad mad at me further down calling me plastic and stupid.

I really don't see how making a statement that if we were to make it to next step, an upgrade on Cahill is neccesary. How is that plastic?

As a fan I don't have to be 'we are the greatest, we are the best, Remy is better than falcao' or whatever. Don't need to be bias, I was stating my opinion that Cahill is looking a weak link for us at the moment. It was Frazier Campbell, Not Luis saurez.

One of you said something silly, 'he made TOTY', which I believe is ridiculous. You believe Cahill was better than terry that season? You believe gerrard Was better than matic? You believe Shaw was better than azpillicueta?

Do both of you really believe he is World Class? Because I don't. And as I stated before, if we were to take it to the next step, an upgrade is neccesary. Whether it be Zouma (who isn't an upgrade is he?), or a player like subotic, who is world class.

Good day :D

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I'd argue Cahill was our strongest CB last year, better than Terry. We looked a lot less solid when Luiz and Terry played. I just can't understand how you can be so critical because of a shaky 20minutes. Also the majority of their attacks were through Terry's side and often Cahill was the one who had recover because of this, like his amazing tackle. I don't think he deserves the criticism.

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Again, I'm not being So critical as he is very good, but he makes the same mistakes over and over, and was at fault 3 times inside 20 minutes, apart from that he was fine plus a brilliant tackle, however, it happens all the time. This season he's backing off again, been at fault for the huntalaar goal.

People need to remember, I said the next step. Would he be in Bayerns side? Or madrids? And if that is what we aspire to be, then he, or someone else, needs to be better.

I've also been critical of Willian, saying he wasn't Good enough (for the next step), yet no one disagreed, am I just being over critical, or is Gary escaping becuase of being English, lol

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And I didn't feel any of the attacks went though terry? Throughout the game palace attacked Cahill.

There's also an article on WAGNH (we ain't got no history) about the palace game, and it backs me up on my opinion with Gary Cahill, if anyone wants a look.

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21 Oct 2014 12:08:55
Can't say I called you plastic or stupid so don't put words in my mouth. All I was saying is you seem to think that every player Chelsea has needs to be world class by the sounds of it. Cahill is a solid pro who has formed an incredible relationship and understanding with Terry at the heart of the Chelsea defence and because a striker gets the better of him once in a blue moon you seem to think he is no longer good enough and needs to be replaced. Stop trying to throw money at problems that do not even exist. As a poster said (sorry can't remember the name) if Mourinho thought that Cahill was no longer doing a good enough job then I am sure he would have given Zouma a chance. So personally I will agree with Mourinho and not you :)

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Totally agree with woody. It just winds me up when people just want to spend money all the time. Cahill's better than Pepe for me, Pepe's just earnt a reputation through kicking off all the time. Cahill's not better than Ramos but as a partnership Cahill and Terry are better than them two together. Benatia's world class but I don't think Boateng and Dante are even though they're really good. We have Zouma to come in if someone's not playing well or push Branna to cb, azpi to rb, Luis to lb. I've said before about how much I rate Kalas but he's never established himself due to being injured now and again. All I'm saying is there's no need to spend millions all the time unless we need to and I can't bare fans who moan about something that's not even broken.

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Cahill indeed is a good player. But in order to take the next step, which is in my guess playing with a high line, I think there are better options around. Cb's who read the game very well (and thus anticipate well) and who are fast are necessary in such a system.
IIRC Mourinho hinted at moving towards a system that uses a high defensive line to pin the opposition back.

Cahill is fine in the system we currently implement, but if we want to get to that other system we're going to need someone's who's better at it.
Perhaps it'll be changed when Terry gets a reduced role, as he too is not suited for such a style of play.

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It's cool Woody, I forget my name too, sometimes. Anyway agree with you, though no one should be called a plastic fan it does hit a nerve when someone believes splashing money pointlessly is they way to resolve a solution especially when there isn't one.

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All I can say is I like cahill but I don't think he's great he's ok put it this way if we had bought varane last window it wouldn't of been Terry that was dropped. My opinion

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21 Oct 2014 16:53:13
Interesting debate. I actually think we do need to replace Cahill in order to move to the next level. Varane alongside JT would be an instant upgrade in my opinion, with one of the younger players at the club eventually replacing JT.

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