Chelsea Banter Archive December 01 2012

01 Dec 2012 23:31:20
Someone needs to explain to Mikel that as a DM he needs to get stuck in and help our back 4 out! That's his job yet he disappears in games he misplaces passes all the time personally I hold him at fault for West Ham's 2nd and 3rd goals he's simply not good enough I'm not using him as a scapegoat but it's the truth he's what 6ft plus yet he's always getting knocked off the ball by smaller guys not good enough! Wasteful finishing by Torres and Mata should of won this game before West Ham equalised! How have the board upstairs not noticed that these changers need to be made. Rant over! Enjoy the rest of your weekend Chelsea fans!
Zola25

Were better off selling him! hes a joke

01 Dec 2012 22:03:50
When we were at our best under Jose we dominated the midfield against everyone we played. Since then we have gone from 3 midfielders to 2. We desperately need to bring in another midfielder who along with Ramires will absolutely dominate the midfield. Idk who that is but until we get back to our dominance in the center of the park we will continue to lose games we shouldn't.

Tk

This is coming from an arsenal fan you already have the midfielder your asking for which is essien but you decided to loan him out to real madrid instead of us i would of had him in our team anyday and it goes to show he is still a really good player that even madrid wanted him.
Ali {Ed002's Note - He is sick and back at Chelsea now.}

Im with u 100% gooner. RDM didnt have a clue

I agree with you Ali. I said from watching our preseason games that our best midfield pairing was the bison and McEachran (both of which that went out on loan). I understand if they think he isn't the answer but you can't tell me he wouldn't offer anything to this team currently.

Tk

01 Dec 2012 21:34:13
Just watching the Madrid derby and closely watching how Falcao plays. 30 mins into the game and Real are 1-0 up but Falcao has really impressed me.
He is constantly running the channels in and around the box and tirelessly chasing down every defender and anyone who has the ball. His work ethic has been fantastic. Every corner, free kick and goal kick he has his hands in the air wanting the ball and showing a real passion to get the ball. His movement in the box is brilliant and has been a handful in the air against the bigger Pepe.

I really hope we can get him this January, his movement and work rate coupled with his finishing ability is what we are really lacking atm.

PB

It was a awful game, Atlético couldnt even get a proper chance and the mitfield got completly bossed around. He did have a vero good work ethic and recovered some balls and helped the defense once in a while. But you could really see they played poor and Real played way better.

01 Dec 2012 21:12:40
I said in the summer, that Defoe would be a good signing as a back up to Torres. I said he would be happy to sit games out etc, etc. Turns out he wouldnt of sat on the bench at all. With our midfeild behind him, he would be on 15- 20 goals already!

Luke

01 Dec 2012 20:45:29
It looks to me we were premature in the sacking of RDM!

01 Dec 2012 20:38:27
Forget guardiola theres only one man that can sort this mess out the special one round 2

01 Dec 2012 19:00:26
The players wanted to play for RDM, he just didn't have the tactical nouse and experience we needed. Now we have a manager who does have the tactical nouse and experience, but the players don't want to play for him. Go figure.

Whats the plan now? The only manager out there who would guarantee us success is Jose, but would he come? And then if he does come, what next? How long would he be willing to stay? And when he does eventually leave, are we going to have another 7 years of managerial merry-go-rounds because know one can live up to him?

I don't know what we do now? When managers havent worked out in the past, theres always been 1 ready to step into the hotseat. From day 1 they would get the backing of our main players, like JT, Lamps, Ash, Cech, Dider etc. And this would carry us onto some good, exciting things, until a change of direction was needed. Then we'd go for the next one. And now the truth is we're fast running out of managers who would be willing to step into the hotseat. And now we don't have that strong spine that would carry us through the bad spells, we have a young team who need a manager to tell them how to play, and what their job is. So where do we go from here? Who is the long term answer for us? At the moment the feeling i get when someone is appointed is 'I wonder how long there'll last', then one bad patch later and their shown the door and we start again.

I'm worried we're never going to get out of this routine...

OsgoodIsKing

Well....over a number of years the players have become too powerful. It has become an issue but sadly too late to change it. JT may be a ledge...but he wields too much power. In any club, the Manager has to be in charge and since Jose that hasn't been the case at Chelsea. I expect Rafa to be sacked in a month and replaced by yet another patsy... {Ed002's Note - Rubbish. The manager is in charge of whatever it says in his contract or job description - and nothing else. Typically that would include the training of the first team, tactics and picking the match day squad. Many clubs have a Director of Football co-ordinating across age groups, dealing with transfers etc.. Perhaps in some low division club in the 1930s the manager was responsible for everything - but that is light years from the case now.}

I don't think they players don't want to play for Raffa. We are lacking strength in the midfield and a good striker up front. I think it is as simple as that. Then the spine will there for the hands (Oscar, Hazxard and Mata) to move freely. Proitos

Totally agree, our midfield 2 have to be far more powerful/athletic. Able to defend but also give us much more going forward which is currently lacking. I'm also slightly disappointed in the 3 in front on current form. They really aren't causing teams the trouble we expected and other than the odd goal from Mata they are not creating or scoring enough.

01 Dec 2012 17:48:33
I wonder if Mikel and Romeu can play together? He could play in place of Ramires to give us some strength in the midfield until January. Proitos

Ramires are just joking. Hes one of our best players. We got beat by juventus 3-0 but roberto had the right idea in dropping torres. At times its like starting with ten men.
NWBLUE

They already played together, didnt turn out too good? {Ed018's Note - agreed why any team needs to defensive mids is beyond me}

Its more obvious than that, ramires is the defender, drop mikel & romeu. we need a passer with ramires. we are far to slow moving the ball forward with these 2 & being honest both are poor at passing.

Ramires was a holding player at Benfica and with Brazil, he should play the defsive mid role with two players in front like Oscar and Lamps and get De Bruyne and Mcheachran back next season.
ramires can close down and tackle but his passing lets him down at times {Ed018's Note - Ramires played alot on the right side of a diamond midfield at Benefica. Javi Garcia was their defensive mid}

He didnt actually play as a 2 man mid at benfica, they had a def mid but he did play their sometimes,

01 Dec 2012 17:40:50
Ed - Do you think Chelsea are no longer in the Title Race {Ed018's Note - I think that's a pretty simple answer. If we keep playing like we are, then we will be fighting for 5th or 6th again}

Maybe not. Arsenal and spurs are doing just as bad

Look at the table pal

Tottenham has the same points as us now, and we were 10 points ahead of them or more iirc.

Look at the table? Neither arsenal or tottenham are ahead of us, therefore they are doing just as bad

R u for real mate ?

01 Dec 2012 17:15:22
thats 3 out of 6 ed rafa has not won ,50% of the way there to him going .

rayzor

01 Dec 2012 17:05:02
What a mess this is We appoint an Interim who is not liked at the club why would the player's play for a manager that they know won't be there in 6 months time the board take a huge blame in putting faith in Torres the boy is bringing our club down he is mentioned every presser every interview the board have some huge decisions to make

BLUEBLOOD

01 Dec 2012 16:59:02
I think a true assement on our season so far would be under di matteo we at times played some excellant football but have looked poor in europe. We are crying out for a natural goal scorer. We will be lucky to get £20m for torres. I think cavani would be our best bet as hes quick,strong and can head the ball. Also i dont think he would command a fee more than £30m unlike falcao £50m. But never mind buying players we should try to buy mourinho out of his contract as rafa will not win the fans over and thats rubs off on the players. Fellani and a striker must be purchased in january.

NWBLUE

01 Dec 2012 16:50:17
mikel is one of the worst players we have had at cfc he is to slow he has no physical pressence about him always losing possession with awful passes we need to get rid of him out of the team and get a player like fellaini in jan before our season sinks to new levels i am really worried about the club at the moment to many problems all the time at cfc the board really do need to look at themselves this is not rafas fault the club has been badly run for a while now, please sort this out roman because you have to, from a very unhappy cfc fan. BAZZACFCFOREVER.

Fellaini to replace mikel ??
Fellaini is playing just behind the centre forward at Everton and u want to play him as a holding midfielder.
Good one pal.
Glad ur not our manager.
Cfcmatt.

We dont need fellaini, we dont even need a holding mid, ramires can do this very well. what we need is a ball distributor, ramires ball winner.

Phil Neville on MoTD said Fellaini believes he plays best as a DM, although he's been playing well further forward.

01 Dec 2012 15:55:08
Well I wasn't there today and I guess the fans who pay their money and went feel they have the right to sing what they want. But it strikes me we are turning in to a Blackburn and that many of the fans are going hoping we lose because we have a trigger happy owner who will replace Benitez. They need to get over it because it ain't gonna happen. There was a point in the second half when the tide had obviously turned and the fans starting signing 'one DiMatteo'. How does that help? Clearly it didn't as we went from bad to worse. Supporting a team should never ever be about the Manager. I support Chelsea because I love the club. The players are my heroes. That's why I go to games. I want them to win and I want to share in the joy and excitement of that. There is no joy listening to your own fans boo anyone connected to the Club. How anxious are the players going to be on Wednesday now with the booing beforehand....the 16 minute chant...and the DiMatteo songs later if we are not winning. Somehow this must change...no one needs to sing for Benitez...just sing for the team and lets get some positive vibes from the stands to the pitch otherwise we will risk going into freefall. The biggest result of this continuing negativity is that we simply won't be able to sign the players we want because the players will not want to walk into this mess. Today the first half was fine and we just missed getting the second goal. Their first goal was a generous decision and they simply overpowered us. This game is not just about the best players....it is also about the strong leaders....the latter is what we desperately need. CTID

CTID - a sensible post on the Chelsea pages
- now THAT is news

Puzzled

01 Dec 2012 15:31:11
pathetic performance across the whole team , why , why, why , don't we practice crossing a ball ? how midfield are like headless chickens ,. also point of fact didn't see one good Chelsea tackle today ? says it all really . Not impressed with going out of the title race before Xmas !

Stan .

Azpilcueta made quite a few as did ramires, ivanovic & cahill

01 Dec 2012 15:12:22
This isn't Rafa's fault at all and all these posts that your ashamed and you don't wanna watch any games then don't. Torres has had his chances, he wasn't good today, once again he missed crucial chances and it has cost the team. There 1st goal was a ridiculous decision, the luck wasn't with us today and i dont see how we can get out of this rut until Sturridge is fit and we can buy in January. Will Falcao or Neymar or Gomez come in January with no Champions League.

This is no Rafa's fault and the chanting and abuse during games is becoming shameful.

PB

01 Dec 2012 15:07:26
When does our game start?! I just saw a team in blue go on but that can't be us right? I mean they lost 3-1 to west ham, WEST HAM!! Alright I think I'm dreaming yeah that's it I'm dreaming...... no,no,no I'm not just ran into a wall and It hurt, so its real life ouch! now my head and heart hurts so bad. Why?! Why?! Why?! Me , why?! Chelsea. Why?! Us. On the bright side we...... He....... They....... Who am I kidding we are a mess, there are no positives and honestly I am fed up with Torres, Mikel and the fact my week is always ruined before it even begins all in all we need help.

P.S. Why the heck did he remove Hazard and Moses? And leave Mikel and Torres. Come on and I'm supposed to support that? BS I say.

ELI

Actually Eli we were in white today but I get the joke.

-BLUERAY-

01 Dec 2012 15:04:21
Sack the damn board. Especially Emenalo. What kind of depth do we have in this team? Whom to bring on? Whom to rotate? Where are the players?

What size are we? Freaking midgets. Every team we play recently just defends against us the same way and we are just powerless. Torres and Mikel should be nowhere near the first team squad. We need smth like 4 extra players for this team. And if you sell Torres and Mikel, that is 6.

We deserve what we have now. Headless management of the team. Only Mourinho can solve this. I told you all it gonna be a disaster with Rafa. It is.

JG

How is this Rafa's fault? Everyone was crying out for rotation he does it? We only have Torres upfront and he played Romeu last game instead of Mikel. Hes rotating the squad and playing the best players fitness levels available. Its not the managers fault.

PB {Ed018's Note - certainly it was a mistake to go into the season with only 2 forwards.}

Yes Ed it was a mistake. But I have not seen anyone higher than RDM paying for it. Why is that? I want to see heads falling. Proitos {Ed002's Note - You "want to see heads falling"? God that's embarrassing.}

As a figure of speach of course. Proitos

You mean rolling,dont you tortoise ?

01 Dec 2012 14:56:28
Coles goal was a foul and we should of had a penalty for the challenge on Moses! Do you think the refs are punishing us

Give it up mate, we lost fair and square.

Melbourne CFC

01 Dec 2012 14:52:06
Gutted ain't the word. Mikel not Chelsea standard. Cech liability. Bring back courtois. Champions league may become a distant memory, We may fail to qualify this year. M'villa for me, and Torres out. Lukaku can give us height, and good hold up play, recall him January. Here's hoping. Mon the blues!

Actually it may not be a bad thing not to qualify for the CL. We don't desreve to be in it. We may do better in the EL. Proitos

It's a real bad thing no champs league. Ever heard of FFP? We can't spend big without qualifying for champs league. FACT!

And do we have to spend big? Look where he is got us. Proitos

Cech isnt a liability. it could of been 5 or 6 if it wasnt for him.

01 Dec 2012 14:47:54
Out of the title race, out of champions league, totally useless striker, can't defend crosses or high balls, trigger happy owner, no Direction, constant controversy, no stability, no chance of pep taking the job or Jose, no hope, no falcao, Gomez or cavani in January, or am I just being negative.

So much pessimism. we aint out of the champions league yet, we are favourites to win the carling cup, we are still in the top 4 and the season is not even half finished. just be patient.

The carling cup !! Is that really our ambition for the season. Well be in the 4,5,6,7, position mix for the league in a weeks time others are catching, and juventus will get a draw in shaktar. Season over.

01 Dec 2012 14:41:54
For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be a Chelsea fan. That was absolutely shocking, you cannot entirely blame Benitez, at the end of the day the players still have to go out and do the hard part. Only one player gave 100% and that was Marin, he came on and look lively and looked like he wanted it, all the others are just taking their place for granted in the team. Mikel is just a waste of space, I honestly don't see all the hype about Mata, yeah he's a goo player but he is bigged up way to much and Torres, just do one, I've lost patience with a lot of that team. Why an earth he took of Hazard, from what I seen he looked likely to score. A positve is that we scored. Let the hate come, I can handle it.

Peds

01 Dec 2012 14:40:22
You can say what you want but this game isn't on Rafa. He wasnt the one that couldnt bury the other team when we had the chances. He didn't blow the call on the first goal. He didn't fail to pick up a player with 10 yards of space for the second. He didn't make an personic pass on the third goal. These players seem to refuse to play for him which is the second time in three managers which is dispicable. I'd say the fans deserve more but when they're not behind the manager what would make the players get behind him.

Tk

01 Dec 2012 14:39:09
Great one. Never felt this low watching Chelsea. This display is disgusting. Players are reckless, reminds me of golden days of Scolari and AVB. Great decision, of course.

JG

Was ABV's players that won the trophy! Di Matteo got lucky

It was Mourinho's players you clown, not AVB's.

JG

Mourinhos players? mata, ramires, cahill, luiz, bertrand, {Ed018's Note - fine but only Mata was bought under AVB.}

01 Dec 2012 14:36:08
I want Chelsea to give a manager, even Benitez a 5 year contract a keep them there for 5 seasons. I have had just about enough of our dumb owner and persons wearing suits in aoffice making footballing decisions....
They do an amazing job keeping the club running but they know nothing about making a winning squad.
We are fast becoming a joke in the League and we deserve it to be honest.
We have so much young talent at the moment and its wasted at our club.

01 Dec 2012 14:34:12
lol how many managers is this now

01 Dec 2012 14:29:48
I AM COMPLETELY FED UP WITH THIS!! TORRES, MIKEL AND THE FAT WAITOR OUT NOW!! THERE IS ONLY ONE DI MATTEO!! THE SECOND HALF PERFORMANCE ABSOLUTLEY DISGRACEFUL!! NO MORE EXCUSES NOW! RA SORT IT OUT NOW!!

01 Dec 2012 13:47:07
My mate said Azpilicueta was over-rated and would be found out in the EPL against better players and wingers.
Looking forward to that apology!
CFCFOREVER!

01 Dec 2012 12:29:02
I would like to tell the chelsea owner to stop changing the manager like changing his suits, bring Drogba on loan buy falcao, fellani & keep torres 4 substitutes. chelsea fowared ever backward never

And bringing back drogba is going forward?

01 Dec 2012 11:33:09
Rafa said that our players are worn out due to fact that we have played same 12 13 players every game, I think that is spot on and so far every thing he has said has been correct and honest and I just hope the results start coming, I can see Marin and Moses and romeu getting few more minutes,

01 Dec 2012 08:42:09
Our woes will surely end today 'when' we win. That'll be enough to turn our season around.
BB.