Chelsea Banter Archive December 18 2015

18 Dec 2015 17:02:13
Ed, Can you help?

So Mourinho is sacked, then today it is announced that Guardiola will make it public on Saturday where he will be going after Bayern in the Summer.

Now if it was anybody but us he would really be upsetting the apple cart at a lot of clubs.

Or am I putting 2 + 2 together and getting 5?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what you are talking about at all. What makes you think Mourinho was sacked? What makes you think Guardiola will mention any team other than Bayern Munich if he happens to discuss his future during the the Bayern Munich game tomorrow - seems like rather too much Twitter.}

18 Dec 2015 21:16:22
Sorry Ed don't do Twitter.

Let me rephrase: since Mourinho has left Chelsea. I have read on BBC news website that Guardiolas future will be made public and he has confirmed he will not be staying at Bayern.

{Ed002's Note - And?}

18 Dec 2015 22:55:48
I believe Guardiola will only be announcing whether he will remain at Bayern next season or not. It's widely believed he will leave.

From what I gather his future following on from that is yet to be decided.

19 Dec 2015 22:54:19
Ed002, hope you don't mind me asking. Was Mourinho leaving the club a mutual decision?

{Ed002's Note - It was not a case of him being sacked but a mutual recognition that the club needed to have a boost and could no longer wait for any miracle cure. With one exception there was not a push by the board to sack the manager there was agreement that there was no alternative but to look to other ways forward. It was certainly zero to do with the players - regardless of what people like Morgan say.}

19 Dec 2015 22:54:34
Did Jose really walk then Ed002? Can't see it myself. Or did he walk before he was pushed?

Guardiola is off to City isn't he surely if he isn't staying at Munich?

Do you have any idea what manager Chelsea will be looking at?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - The club has moved quickly to bring in GH and will now be looking to their options going forward.}

18 Dec 2015 18:26:24
I have a feeling that we'll see a very different Eden Hazard tomorrow. Definitely worth backing to break his goalless streak.

18 Dec 2015 18:42:48
If we do see a 'different' Hazard, I hope the crowd let their feelings known.

18 Dec 2015 18:52:24
I hope the crowd let him know. I still think he doesn't look match fit.

18 Dec 2015 19:44:11
Is he not injured tomorrow?

18 Dec 2015 20:46:45
Ruled himself out again hasn't he? Embarrassment of a player at the moment. No heart, no passion. Same as quite a few players.

18 Dec 2015 22:33:10
You want the crowd to boo a home player? Shame on you.
We've got a world class player on our hands and if cfc get the right man in charge to free him up and play to his full potential without so much emphasis on his defensive responsibility he will shine again.
Jose's gone hazard is still here.

18 Dec 2015 22:37:26
Ed mentioned that a board member had doubts over hazards attitude before we signed him. Maybe that board member is being proved right or maybe hazard didn't like joses boring defensive football.

{Ed002's Note - It wasn't a board member.}

19 Dec 2015 04:50:40
If Hazard, Costa and Cesc were world class and professional they would of forgot their ego's and played to there best level no matter what was going on at the club.

19 Dec 2015 06:58:59
Shame on us? Why's that? When the bloke is paid £175,000 a WEEK and he doesn't want to work his nuts off for 90 minutes a couple of times a week? And you expect fans who work hard for their money and go and pay through the nose to watch a game of football and not to voice their frustration when one of their so called best players cannot be bothered and substitutes himself. Have a word with yourself. I'd rather have the entire youth team playing, who play with heart and passion then watch Eden, Cesc, Nemanja, JT with their half hearted performances at the moment. So don't come on here saying shame on us for showing our feelings towards the players. I don't agree with booing but on this occasion when we've lost the best manager we've ever had and in the world over some over paid premadonnas then yeah, I can fully understand it.

19 Dec 2015 07:34:11
I'll come on here and say what I like pal, ask yourself why these league winners last season are so under performing this season. Something we don't know about has happened in that dressing room for it to go all tits up this much. Jose's the most stubborn egomaniac out the lot of them and in my opinion has bought this on himself.
I wanted him to be here long term but his behavior attitude and negative football has seen his demise.
Also he said himself that if he couldn't bring some of our youth through then he'd be s failure, so instead of giving the young hungry kids a chance, like cfcsadam would rather see, he stuck with the under performing super stars.
Yes he's s very successful coach but he's dragged the down and he's worn thin on me. Cfc til I die not Jose til I die.

19 Dec 2015 10:31:31
Negative football? Huh? Where? Costa upfront, flanked by Willian, Hazard, Oscar/Pedro/Fabregas

How exactly is that negative?

If we played Matic, Mikel, Ramires then yes I'd agree but we don't.

He can't give the kids a chance because of the situation we find ourselves in? You'd be happy to chuck in unproven youngsters in the deep end yeah? Not being funny, but are these so called quality youngsters THAT good? Josh McEachran was supposed to be the next BIG thing and look what happened to him? Bamford - not exactly setting the premiership alight with his performances at Palace is he? Neither is Van Ginkel at Stoke, Moses at West Ham, I could go on.

The performances are down to the players and players alone. A manager can sit them down, talk tactics, tell them what he wants and where he wants them to be. But at the end of the day it's down to the PLAYERS to fulfil that duty which they aren't doing. Forgetting that it's the FANS who pay their wages. Not Jose, so they should have left their egos aside and played as well as we know they can.

I agree (to a point) about his vendetta about refs but he does that to take away how bad our performances have been. He's done that everywhere he goes. Defends his players and takes the bullets. It got a bit embarrassing in the end but surely you can understand that he'd rather the papers talk about him then the players who weren't performing. That's what makes him.

19 Dec 2015 11:23:25
I think there lies the problem. We played with attacking players but tried to implement a defensive side to there game, without success. I hope the next manager brings his own ideas/formations as the 4-2-3-1 is a little predictable. I don't think Jose failed the club, the club has failed him. I don't see certain signings as Jose signings. So there alone was a huge problem when the manager identifies players the club fail to bring them in. Jose I'm sure will be back at the bridge one day, I just hope it's not our next champions league game as manager of PSG.

19 Dec 2015 22:52:52
Wouldn't surprise me if he came back to manage, not one bit. If a club doesn't back the manager in the transfer market, then I'm sorry he's on to a loser already. JM made clear who he wanted but we ended up with no one. Where this leaves our transfer dealings for January I don't know. Ed002 said it doesn't change anything, but I don't know. Maybe we'll wait until summer. And see who the new man wants.

18 Dec 2015 13:54:57
Hi Ed,

Still in a bit of shock over the whole Mourinho sacking, I think his downfall was what happened with Eva.

Anyway onwards and upwards.

Do you know if JT has his coaching badges? and do Chelsea have any plans on bringing back Ray Wilkins to work with Guys Hiddink again?

18 Dec 2015 20:55:16
I just hope to god that JT isn't our next manager or won't be for a while yet. Let him go away and get some experience. Not sure if his presence is a good thing or not anymore. Funny how he's always been quiet when the under fire managers have gone isn't he? Scolari, AVB, Jose (twice! )
Looks a shadow of the player Jose made him last year. Be quite happy to see him out the team now more then in it. Need a decent CB to come in now. Either from one of our loans or youth team or a new signing. But would like to see Kalas or Christensen To partner Zouma in defence. Need someone who is willing to stick a challenge in midfield too. I miss Dennis Wise, Makelele, Essien that sort of combative midfielder. Not the powder puff Matic. Or can't pass, run or tackle Fabregas.

18 Dec 2015 11:10:23
Ed, it's looking likely that Hiddink will be interim manager.

To fellow posters, who would you like to see? For me I'd be happy with one of Guardiola, Ancelotti or Simeone. Guardiola because of his exciting grand of football and reputation for success, Ancelotti for more or less the same reasons plus his past with Chelsea and Simeone because his passion reminds me of a younger Jose. I'd still rather have a vibrant, unburdened Jose over all of them though.

18 Dec 2015 17:10:40
Guardiola, Ancelotti, Someone since we missed on Kloop.

18 Dec 2015 10:34:59
Diego simeone will be the new manager, I would bet my house on it. By him coming in I think there gives us a better chance of signing greizman/Koke. I think he's very similar to Jose but his passion from the sidelines hopefully will (if it's him as our next manager) rub off on the players.

18 Dec 2015 11:21:36
I think we should make Eva Carneiro manager!

18 Dec 2015 11:28:30
Agree one hundred per cent, always thought he would be the next Manager.

18 Dec 2015 12:28:35
The worrying thing for me is I can see Jose taking over at man Utd.

18 Dec 2015 14:03:38
I hope we don't get Simone.

18 Dec 2015 15:14:55
Football is a strange world. We give up on Mourinho who 'could' be managing either Manchester United or Real Madrid, two of the biggest clubs in the world.

18 Dec 2015 04:36:14
Hey ed2, just wanted your opinion on whether Michael emenalo has done a good a good job at Chelsea or not? See a lot of posts attacking him and personally feel they are unjustified. What are your thoughts in how he's worked at the club, if time allows

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Emenalo has done nothing wrong.}

18 Dec 2015 08:45:47
I think people are looking for excuse but I did comment yesterday and previously that Emenalo had done well but the manager has been unable to convert the players bought. In the last 5yrs our signing have been with purpose for young and talented players. Most who have left have gone on to be big at other clubs and we have not made any loss before Jose came and started signing 26yrs+ player some of whom he has not even played. Danger of signing 26yrs+ is if it doesn't workout then you have a loss and less possibility of development. We have the best crop of young players in England. So surely its not Emenalo problem if the manager fails to harness the potential in these players.

18 Dec 2015 08:49:39
I don't think the responsibility of signing players over the age of 26 lies solely or even predominantly with Jose. Transfers are decided on by a group of staff rather than just one man.

18 Dec 2015 09:49:29
I might be wrong, but I find it hard to believe that Papy Djilobodji was a signing that JM pushed for. Just saying.

18 Dec 2015 10:15:42
or Hector, Rahman and Pedro!

18 Dec 2015 12:38:54
I cannot believe you all in this post stand by Emenalo. The guy has to take some responsibility over this. Aren't Directors liable in Business? I am not sure he is even qualified for that job, anyway.

18 Dec 2015 14:00:34
I don't think any of the replies to this post are standing behind Emenalo particularly?

18 Dec 2015 15:58:14
Personally I don't think Emenalo has done a bad job. The work him and the scouting department have done which has brought in some of the best youth players such as KDB, Lukaku, Zouma, Courtois, Kenedy, Pasalic etc. Even other players like Azpi, Hazard, Oscar, Matic, Willian have been brought in since he became technical director.
This past summer window was poor but I don't think that's down to him but the board who believed we didn't need significant reinforcements. Some signings haven't worked out since JM came back but that's probably more down to them either not being JM's first choice or the fact they couldn't settle in England. Either way I don't think Emenalo is to blame for our current woes.

18 Dec 2015 05:45:00
With respect to all chelsea fans.
please see the bigger picture. I've said before that jose is a 2 season manager. Yes he is special. Yes he won us trophys. Yes he will win at other clubs and bite us in the ass. But those clubs he manages will have the same problem after 2 years.
Roman is our manager and over the years his hiring and firing has won us the most trophys out of our rivals over those years. Maybe longevity idnt needed. Long term managers maybe in the past.
but end of the day jose had a job for life at cfc and HE threw that away I didnt. The catalyst was E. C. the initial bad feeling, the players feeling, joses reaction, st johns ambulance etc added to the red mist that decends on jose after 2 years brought this about.
but there's one or 6 bad apples in the cart that need to go in jan regardless.
jose has gone, move on. Roman knows best!

18 Dec 2015 13:28:29
Liverpool fan here mate in peace.
I don't like Jose TBH but I stand by him at this moment. I can't see another manger sticking around Chelsea like Jose. He loves Chelsea.

Now coming back to logic. What do you gain by sacking him midway?
You ain't going to compete for the title under the new man anyway. While the new man would nee time to bed in.
You got a CL fixture which is very important for your club.

I am not sure what's his compensation package is all about. But the rumored money is as good as you receive from CL qualifications.

Now buying out a manger from his current club will require insane money.

And if it has to do with the player power. It need to to stopped for the better of the game ( let alone be any club )

Just my opinion guys.
Cheers.