Chelsea Banter Archive January 17 2013

17 Jan 2013 19:58:08
After watching our past two games against southampton I feel very certain in saying Luke Shaw should be one of our top targets. In the first game he was easily their best player with nothing coming down his flank. Last night he put on a masterclass. Not only did he have Oscar in his pocket for 90 minutes but he outperformed cole as well. I posed the question a while back and people said he won't be ready for a while. I completely disagree and will even say that right now he is a better player than Ryan Bertrand. He's also admitted to being a fan of the club. Is there anything holding anyone of you guys back from wanting him at this point?

Tk

Young, talented, English, position of need for next season - he should be a primary target!

Surewould

Falcao, Fellaini, Yanga Mbiwa and Shaw would be my ideal signings.

We've been linked with them four players two.

CfcBenWxm

Fellaini must be a primary target!
doc

I an not sure about Falcao, greedy he'll end up at PSG.
Doc

Ed002 there was talk about a week ago saying that Shaw was on the verge of signing a new contract. I may be wrong but I don't think there has been any confirmation on a new contract. I'm not sure if you knew any more? Got to agree with the guys above tho. The lad is playing like that at just 17!! Imagine him in 10 yrs time!!

MB {Ed002's Note - Chelsea and Arsenal made their interest known but the plan is to stay in Southampton for now.}

Do not want Fellaini. Doesn't fit in our team. Great in advanced role but poor in CM.

I don't want fellaini either. I've rated him since he went to everton, but he is poor in centre midfield. ther is no way he should be played up top over any of our trio. BLUEBOY1

Don't you guys know how to log onto the Saints WS??

You will find that Shaw has very recently said he is staying at Saints and will be signing a long term contract when he turns 18 in July-and this is because yourselves, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs have been starting rumours.

Look somewhere else.

17 Jan 2013 16:23:09
From football to grammar?
Didn't know the site offered tutorials also. Well at least now if I have any problem with my bio chem I know where to ask. Also does the site also offer psychic help cause with the posts of late it sure does seem that way I do hope so And if I'm lucky I could get relationship tips as well? Brilliant.

Oh almost forgot, hey ED what do you think Guardiola's favourite colour is blue or red? And do you think jose is coming back? Come on check your magic ball and at the same time could you check if we would be interested in messi next year? Also I would like to know, if every one went for Falcao who would he prefer? you can read his mind for that one. Thanks in advance ED.

P.S. If you don't get the answers accurately (i.e give me the date and time where necessary_), I just want you to know that I would send you lots of abusive posts. No pressure.

ELI

Capital 'J' for Jose please, you used it for Guardiola.

17 Jan 2013 15:00:08
I agree with the people who say us not getting Guardiola in the summer is a good thing. Yes he did amazing things at Barcelona but, as people have said, with Messi, Xavi, Iniesta & co at your command there are Sunday league coaches who'd look world class. For me he still has to prove himself at another club and I'd rather that not be at Chelsea.

I don't agree with people saying our squad isn't right for Mourinho, I don't watch a massive amount of Spanish football but don't Madrid play a 4-2-3-1 formation with a midfield of, for example...

--Khedira--Xabi Alonso--

Di Angel---Ozil---Ronaldo

It really isn't that dissimilar to our formation at all. Yes I'd imagine he'd want change a few thing like, for example, bring in a midfield enforcer but 90% of fans agree that this is a position we need to strengthen. He'd also have certain players in the team working a lot harder, which we'd benefit from.

I'd say the return of Mourinho is the obvious choice for the summer.

Surewould

Agreed. Torres will be gone so he can bring in his target man. Hazard Oscar and mata aren't dissimilar to Ronaldo ozil dimaria. You could even make an argument that his midfield isn't as strong as ours with Alonso more of a string puller while we have Luiz and rami.

Tk

That's what I'd agree with Mourinho knows which players to buy to make a great side also for example we signed Drogba once he came and I feel before he left the 3 in midfield of Ballack Essien and Lampard is one of the best the premiership has ever seen.

Come Home Jose

CfcBenWxm

Oscar isn't a right winger. Deep lying playmaker is where he will end up playing. I don't think Moses is up to it. Maybe de bruyne can play there?

Mourinho will not be coming back, more chance of roman walking away than him returning.
NO manager at the top of his career will take on the chelsea post at the moment, he would know that 4/5 poor performances and roman will pull the trigger. He has a proven record of not backing his own choice of manger he needs to learn to stick with one boss, while I feel rb is not that man our next
Appointment MUST be long term maybe someone like poyet could be a shrewed choice, ex player with connection with the club already there. Unfortunately I fear he would not be enough of a name for our owner and also some of our more recent 'fans'.

Then what is that top manager worth then or what would be his thinking comming to a world class club with world class players.

17 Jan 2013 12:36:39
Why don't we just make terry manager, he runs the team anyway, got us to cl final where we lost to man u, we are losing at home coz we don't want rafa, who else would want the job.

17 Jan 2013 11:32:11
I miss Didier {Ed002's Note -

Well keep trying - your aim will improve

Puzzled

17 Jan 2013 11:18:09
If Hiddink does not retire at the end of the season - he's a great option for manager's post. Suddenly both Carlo and Jose should be available come summer. Forget Pep, Klopp and other fancy stuff. Guus, Carlo or Jose are all amazing managers. Too sad they are not here with us.

But honestly, this managing carousel is a joke.

JG

17 Jan 2013 12:09:28
None of them will manage Chelsea again. You can't eat your cake and have it.

^^^^ well said

Hiddink might, he wasnt sacked remember he only ever wanted to do a season. but i honestly don't see jose or carlo coming back. i really don't see us getting any good manager at the end of the season and i see rafa leaving for madrid.

I'd like hiddink back. He didn't leave on bad terms and wasn't fired he just returned to his national team job. I imagine he'll retire though which is a shame because I think he'd do the best job out of all the managers being mentioned. He gets on with roman and is like be the fans and was liked by the players.

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You complain this managerial carousel is a joke yet you want another manager out, i haven't seen 1 game where he was tactically inept, he makes changes too late in the game i agree but with the squad we have he has rotated well. The players need to be accountable along with the coaching staff. Team selections and substitutions aren't just the managers decisions, the assistant manager and coaching staff all have an input. Steve Holland is still their from when RDM was there, everyone including the manager needs to take the blame when we lose and the praise when we win.

We can't just be blinded by hatred towards certain players and a manager every game we lose, becoming ridiculous now.

PB

Hiddink isnt a long term manager for us though, he has already suggested retirement, im assuming the club will want a manager for longer than 1/2 seasons.

PB

In a way I wish we kept Mr Hiddink for a few seasons, then gave Carlo a try, who knows, he might still be here! We were looking so good under Hiddink and didn't need to change that year, I guess he had other commitments sadly :(
Marley

Rafa is an interim manager you joke. With a contract running up to June. Although performances at home, or rather a threat of finishing outside top4 might see him gone before that.

He inherited the team 4 points behind Manchester United. Look where we are now. And don't you tell me that we are not good enough to finish in top 4.

This is a rubbish manager and he should have never been hired in the first place. Pointless supporting him, he's here as a gap-stop interim. He's got the worst winning % of any of our managers since RA took over. That's including Scolari and Grant.

You are just so blind, damn it. Like with supporting Torres. "oh, he'll come good". And two years onwards he's as crap as when we got him. Now are you trying to tell that Rafa is ok? Or that he'll come good?

JG

17 Jan 2013 10:26:06
The things in order that I think Chelsea need to improve upon to become a force in the premier league and in Europe again.
1. Leadership from the top. We need our owner to start instilling stability in the club by trusting his managerial appointments and allowing them more control over team structuring in both first team, reserve and youth so that we start to develop a club playing philosophy. Most importantly he needs to give them time to do it. We also need to cut out being the media train wreck we have become.
2. The fans need to be realistic and realize we are in a transitional period and results are going to fluctuate. If the fans could be as unreserved, vocal and committed in their support in poor runs as well as good then I think our points in the league may well be very different. Knee jerk reactions to every point dropped calling for the manager or the players to be replaced breeds negativity and fear which is starting to become a trademark of Chelsea teams especially at home. Home results are a shambles but when we boo the manager and players, criticize every decision can you expect any better.
3. Player recruitment. Youth development looks good but they need to be given a bit more chances without being written off after one poor performance. More importantly I think we need to rebuild our spine, for me the spine for years to come will be Cahill, Luiz, Mata and a young world class striker who will be here for the next 10 years. We still need to buy one great CB and one great striker to complete the squad.
4. Experienced players need to retained. JT, Lamps & Cole are blue blood legends who know how to be winners at CFC. They may not all justify their massive weekly wages as squad players and may need to take a small cut but they do have massive value in showing new players what is to be blue and to be winners. Casting aside legends sends a bad message to all potential signings and current players that they are just dispensable commodities and are not the foundation blocks of Chelsea FC.
Sorry for the long post!
Markhpro

Totally agree with you. Especially point 2. Cole was offered a new contract but turned it down. I assume he didn't like the length of the contract. For me Lampard isn't going to start alot of games next year, and his current wage of around 150k a week is way too high for someone who will be a squad player. Players like Scholes and Giggs are on 50/60/70k, which is why they've been kept around. Also Frank still feels he's fit enough and good enough to start alot of games, ( and i'm not saying he isn't) so will unlikely want to settle for being a squad player on reduced wages, when he feels like he can still produce week in week out.

17 Jan 2013 07:03:19
Torres will come good against the arsenal. He is not at his best right now but in a funny way he could still be the hero and score the Winner against arsenal then Go on a good run till the end of the season. Great players always manage to keep grinding out big performance just when people start to write them off.

He is one of the top strikers in world football, a lot like tiger woods at the moment. You don't know if he will ever be at his best again but also you know in a blink of an eye he can win a match with a bit of pure magic.

You have lost the plot. So many things wrong with this post

Torres is finished
Danny

He won't show up on sunday. He is not Drogba.

Pity torres can't score as many times as woods though. kenny

Who scored against arsenal earlier this season?

17 Jan 2013 01:12:08
Tbh I'm very disappointed with tonight's result, I felt that again the players didn't get out of 2nd gear until 80th min or so, play sped up, movement was excellent. I feel the players are lacking motivation, I feel we are lacking character in the team with the exception of hazard and luiz. I think the club should be wise in the market and purchase a strong character like di canio, cantona, zidane to give examples. At least one such player would help if he was world class, I don't think any of the players we're supposedly looking at are suitable. Type Suarez player that would sell his nan for a goal and to win. I think our manager should be the same, a winning mentality. There is a couple of coaches out there like this, laudrup fits so does moyes and would love to see mircea lucescus son razvan coach in PL. it's not the players or managers fault they were hired to do a job that is impossible with the personnel we have at the moment. I think the main problem is lack of vision, we want to play nice football and win but you have to take into account that playing more expansively leaves you vulnerable and you need players on the pitch with balls and nerves of steel obviously same from the coach. I'm confident it's all being sorted so peeps don't panic. Danny

Yes there seems to be lack of motivation and some players like Ramires, Oscar, Torres are underperforming. This interim Manager business does not help either.All in all, big problems in and out of the pitch. The club is crumbling brace yourselves. Proitos.

Crumbling is harsh but it's clear to everybody that we need a couple of changes. GK position needs to be addressed too, Cech has never been the same after the injury, doesn't commit enough. I think fellaini, courtouis and cavani plus moyes in charge, boom!!
Danny

Terry at CB and Luiz in CM brings passion and intensity to two of the vital controlling positions.

I think things will improve when these 2 are playing in these positions, hopefully starting at the weekend at Arsenal.

PB

True that
Danny

Hey that's not a bad thought Danny. Moyes would definitely bring stability to the team. But regardless, Roman must back offf big time for anyone decent to take charge. Proitos

I really don't get the whole Fellaini thing. He's only played great this season when deployed in an advanced role behind the striker. Before this season when he played at CM he was average. Plus I don't believe him to be a great tackler, something which we need.

16 Jan 2013 22:16:43
Alright then ed I'm not one that will be RAFA out, I will stick by him untill he goes even though what he did do after a 2 goal lead was shocking,

You said a cuple of months ago that rafa would get the sack if he goes on a bad run, is this still the case and is he close to the sack,

Also hearing RUMOURS if he doesn't win against arsenal he is gone!? {Ed002's Note - I did not say anything like that.}

I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure you said all managers would get terminated contracts if they're on a bad run

? {Ed002's Note - No. Go and read what I said.}

Sorry ed, Im not trying to pick a fight

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