Chelsea Banter Archive August 17 2015

 

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17 Aug 2015 21:30:53
Hi has kenedy signed yet and if he has and his work permit has cleared do you think he will be in the first team

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18 Aug 2015 09:42:20
I'm pretty sure he's got a work permit and so I'm guessing he's signed. Don't know whether we'll see him a lot though this season.

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17 Aug 2015 17:20:54
looks like we are going to sign Pedro - if he moves he wants to come to London not Manchester (that shows intelligence - a good start!).

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17 Aug 2015 19:37:26
According to ssn looks as though woodwards meeting them tonight in Barca so I suppose that's another one gone.

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17 Aug 2015 19:48:38
I hope we sign him Mrs Costa, having missed out on Douglas Costa and Sterling and with Griezmann not interested in playing for us we could really do with a quality attacking midfielder to add competition and allow Moses and Cuardrado to move on. Hazard, Willian, Oscar, Pedro, Traore and Kenedy does for me.

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17 Aug 2015 21:32:12
Where u reading this mrs costa?

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17 Aug 2015 17:07:37
This may not be popular but I honestly feel Costas propensity to fight holds him back greatly. For starters he constantly gets fouled but they're rarely called because he goes mental every time they don't which doesn't endear him to the ref. The opposing team also know he has a short temper and will do things that set him off leading him to pick up bookings and suspensions. Refs also know he has a history so each time he gets into it with an opposing player the ref will usually expect the worst. Bottom line the minimal psychological boost he gets doesn't match the drawbacks and if he really wanted to get under the other teams skin he would put his energy into scoring.

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18 Aug 2015 06:08:23
I think you're right that his aggressive nature could cost him in situations, but you have to factor in that this is nothing new for him. He has always been that way, and without that aggression and desire to win its most likely he wouldn't have gotten as fair as he has mate

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17 Aug 2015 13:59:55
One or two papers are linking is with Isco, is there any chance this is a possibility?

Thanks

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17 Aug 2015 15:57:03
Don't believe so.

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18 Aug 2015 08:35:32
Real has signed Kovacic and allegedly they are close to sign William Carvallo. We can only presume that either Modric or Kroos might be available.

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17 Aug 2015 13:54:40
We are linked with Isco again today! Fingers crossed we can only hope!

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17 Aug 2015 14:30:12
Real bought Kovacic - it will be a chance that Isco may consider of a move.

But its also quite hard for that thing to happen cause:

He is the favorite player of Madrid fans - selling him could provoke the fans and bring negative reaction.

And if u want to buy a player of Madrid, prepare your cheque. Perez is a good dealer - look at the price he get from Di Maria. That price tag could stop anyone from Isco.

RM also need depth for their squad - they are a collection of good players but no alternative solutions (the reason why Ance got fire cause he can't find the good solutions for the injured players)

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17 Aug 2015 23:04:24
If I was abromovich I would of 30 million pounds for ISCO we have him opposite Hazard and beef up with John stones in the back we are going to be a fabulous team my friends! ISCO like Griezamn are the types of moving lakers we need and you have two attacking forces with costa in the middle upfront like MESSI and Neymar we are the shit! ISCO would be a real reL gem please please help us with this one! People don't realize that this was our downfall last season Hazard can't be a one man show and ISCO will provide him much help!

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17 Aug 2015 13:46:38
Unless we sign Pedro which is unlikely I really can't see us signing a goalscoring right winger. I might get some stick for this but why don't we just leave the pressing game out abit? Matic and Fabregas don't work together in big games so what do we do? Do we move Fabregas further forward? We need a physical presence who has technical abilities I.e Witsel, RLC next to Matic. But then do we play Cesc as a no.10? This is a hard decision because he is still one of our best players but he's not at his best at the moment. People don't like him as a no.10 because he doesn't play as well as Oscar. What I would like to see is us going back to our three amigos behind Diego. We don't have Mata anymore we have Cesc, but I think if you play Oscar and Eden either side with Cesc closer to more creative players and a goalscorer I think we would be better off like that until we can sign a world class right winger. With that much change going on in our side I think the title might be out of reach this season. I still think the balance of our full backs is our main problem though. Hopefully with Baba coming in we can switch Azpi back to the right. The criticism of Terry is laughable he has never had pace but I've said last season and I'll say it again he does need pace all round him and that's why Zouma needs to play CB.

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17 Aug 2015 14:14:37
Magical, I think the problem with playing JT is that we have to sit so deep to accommodate him - which is the reason he was taken off yesterday.

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17 Aug 2015 14:50:29
If you disagree at least put a reason otherwise you're just a troll really.

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17 Aug 2015 15:05:16
We don't need player next to Matic. We need change of tactics and formation. Fabregas should play more prominent role. So 41221(433),4141,4312 any of those formations would work much better than 4231. Ramires cannot play next to Matic( he's typical cm) , Fabregas is to offensive by default, RLC is not ready yet, which leaves us with Mikel and it didn't work for now. Or we can play with Fabregas but then both our CMs should play 10 yards closer to ou front 3. That could make us more exposed as could see during our Spurs game.
Since Mourinho likes more careful tactics 4141 would be probably the most desirable solution for himand Chelsea would be much attackminded than now. IMO with given players 4312 would be the best.
If we continue playing defensive football we will get nowhere.

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17 Aug 2015 15:12:26
How did Mrs Costa's post not give you a reason in the disagreement? They quite clearly stated that JT playing means the defence have to sit back rather than pushing a high line, hence why he was substituted. There's nothing but reasoning in that post?

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17 Aug 2015 15:44:21
I have been saying for months that the team shape is all over the place. We are trying to play formations where as players are having to play out of position which in turn gives us no balance. Dave is a energetic right back, ivanovic is a centre half. Fabregas cannot play a holding role or as a CAM, he is more of a central player,the same with Ramires. Why Jose plays him right mid I do not know. Willian played most of his shaktar games left sided midfield but is being told to play Central or right side. These are just examples that players cannot produce top quality performances when playing positions they are not best at. Right side of midfield has been a problem since Jose first took over. also there is a major problem when you have players like mikel who sit on the bench every week and are happy to do so. I thought the whole reason for Chelsea to be having a so called quiet transfer window was because the likes of loftus cheek etc would be given game time. If we need to sell to buy then I put three names forward in mikel,Ramires and cuadrado. It's simple if you ask me, if a player in a certain position is not good enough then he should not be at the club. Let's stop playing people out of position and get back to basics. I would rather see Moses playing right side before rami and cuadrado. In pre season Moses looked like he had a hunger and desire to play for Chelsea producing some good performances. It's that type of attitude which we need to see more of throughout the team.

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17 Aug 2015 16:53:33
Thank you, cech118 - couldn't have put it better myself.

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17 Aug 2015 17:48:03
NWBLUE: A sound reasoned argument although there will be a few who disagree but Mourinho said ten days ago that players have been told they will be playing out of position. Certainly pre-season and two games and we look all over the place and a quiet transfer window was JM possibly repeating what he has been told as it cannot be lost on him that to transfer last years team into the new season was not going to cut it. Looking for cash, something we are not really short of, I would add Ramires and Remy to the outgoings.

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17 Aug 2015 13:34:06
If Rahman is half as good as advertised we shouldn't underestimate how positive an impact having him on the left and Azpilicueta on he right will have for our defence.

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17 Aug 2015 14:10:44

I no its the german league but he had the most successful tackles and the most attempted crosses. Which is it me but we lack!

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17 Aug 2015 14:15:42
Lol, that makes it as clear as mud then!

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17 Aug 2015 13:32:18
Any truth in Kroos or Modric leaving Madrid now Kovacic looks like he's signing Ed? I'd love Kroos he's exactly what we need someone who can put it in the net from outside the box.

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{Ed018's Note - I wouldn't think so}

17 Aug 2015 14:01:44
We are linked with Isco . He seems the most likely one to leave. But Out of the two modric or kroos . I'd prefer modric

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17 Aug 2015 12:49:27
I don't think getting Stones is going to help too much this season. Judging by pre-season and the start of the prem we need a couple of positions sorting out.

RB - Ivanovic has looked awful, at fault for goals against Swansea and City. Move Azpi there now Baba has signed.

RW - Willian is hard working as ever and his pace is a massive bonus for us on the counter. But when does he ever create anything, score a goal or even put a cross into box. I'd want Griezmann over anyone but it looks like Isco is the target.

CM - Mikel, Ramires are both Ok squad players. Doesn't look like Jose is going to blood Ruben just yet. It's fine playing Fabregas there against teams with no pace or threat through the middle but he's been poor thus far. I'd like to see him play in a 3 man midfield like the Chelsea of old. Him, Matic and Pogba would be amazing but unlikely. Gustavo or Song would be good signings.

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17 Aug 2015 13:09:45
Gustavo or song would nowhere near improve us. I'd prefer Witsel.

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17 Aug 2015 14:08:54
I don't disagree that Witsel is a good player but I just think he's another player that likes to get forward. We've got an Essien in Matic, we need a Makelele to sit next to him. That's the only reason I mentioned the 2 above. Plus, they're both good passers of the ball unlike Ramires.

If we fail to bring anyone in then I think you've got to give Hazard a free role in the No.10 position and free him up, otherwise I don't see us challenging this season judging by our start. Hopefully i'm wrong and it all clicks into place by the end of the month but as it stands we seem to have stood still a bit in terms of squad depth and transfers.

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17 Aug 2015 11:39:04
Baba Rahman been given the number 17 shirt . don't get why he didn't get 3?!

Ed's how does the shirt numbers get allocated?

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{Ed001's Note - player choice.}

17 Aug 2015 10:03:19
Ok, I'll put the cat amoungts the pigeons. Last season we started the campaign scoring shedloads of goals whilst conceding quite a few as well, but, we won those games, and my god, they were great to watch, whilst never feeling that we were going to lose. We buy attacking players who can do exceptional things, Hazard, cuadrado, fabregas, yes and Willan then we(Jose) burden them with defensive duties which negate their attacking propensity. We have the squad to do a Barcalona and say, if you score 1 whe'll get 2, if you get 3, we'll get 4, We have an awesome squad of players, who, given a license to "go for it" will, instead of other teams thinking"how do we break them down" will think "how do we contain them?" I don't actually care how many goals we concede, as long as we score more, and, we have the squad/players to do that.
The thoughts of my fellow supporters are welcome and wanted. Football is a very simple game, sometimes we complicate it with a wish or vision of how we achieve it.

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17 Aug 2015 11:05:16
I agree - I have been thinking that Jose is now a bit of a dinosaur in his tactics. In his first spell at Chels, his defensive tactics with powerful midfielders (Essien, Lampard) and 2 speedy wide players (Duff, Robben) with a big striker (Drog) were innovative; but things have moved on considerably. Teams play a far more expansive game these days, from Bayern to even Swansea, Southampton, Palace - even Stoke and Leicester. Jose seems stuck in 2006. An example of this, I was stunned to hear that we had been offered Isco and said no. I think Isco would be as influential in the Prem as Silva is for City - but he's not a Mourinho type player. Does 'Jose know best'? I'm beginning to doubt it.

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17 Aug 2015 12:57:49
Not so sure about the list of "players that can do exceptional things" but everyone has their favourites but in the 2006 era we counter attacked very (very) quickly and that undid a lot of teams but now we do not have the same pace. Hazard is quick from a standing start but over distance a quick defender can reel him in and Willian is quick but never operates at better than stop, start. It is clear in the two games played we are vulnerable to pace defensively and lacking it up front. Mourinho admitted when he re-joined that he understood his role within the Club and as much as he submits a list of players he wants, others go out and do the deals and it is obvious that if he is unhappy with a buy he finds a way to remove them. However, he can only push RA so far and Saturdays carry on with subs has been picked up by numerous journalists as JM sending out a message to the board so he has to be careful just how far he pushes. Since last season we have not become a disaster but there are definite issues not being addressed by someone and Mourinho who was a God several weeks ago is not suddenly mortal. Hold our breath and see what happens.

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17 Aug 2015 09:46:23
I don't like when Mourinho is moaning about refs. I've watched game again last night(it was hard to watch again).
This time he's absolutely right to moan about refs decisions. We got regular goal canceled on 1:0 result. Did Fernandinho deserved red orwyellow card we can argue but that was refs decision. Second Man.City goal was after obvious foul made by scorer who was holding and dragging our defender with both hands(by all football rules it was foul).I am pretty sure that if that was otherwise our goal would canceled and foul would be given to Man.City. One more thing on 1:0 result Yaya Toure made foul from behind which by football rules had to be yellow card(that would be his second yellow).
Considering everything we deserved eto lose and Man.City didn't need so much of refs help.

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17 Aug 2015 11:25:13
Perhaps Fernandinho should have seen red, and the Ramires goal was 50-50 - and Kompany's wasn't a foul, it was weak by Ivanovic. Regardless of all this, we were outplayed all over the pitch and the ref had nothing to do with it - if it hadn't been for Begovic it could have been truly embarrassing.

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17 Aug 2015 09:17:05
A major factor in our flying start last season was the early season fine form of Oscar. who eventually faded. Was he on bench yesterday? Thought that Matic needed Ramires alongside him instead of Fabrigas in absence of any better options.Perhaps Oscar for Fabregas ahead of them. We're all agreed that we still need another creative attacking wide-player option. and perhaps another striker given that big doubt over Falcao getting back to anything like old self. As for Cuadrado is he not good enough or is it that he just hasn't had enough game time?

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17 Aug 2015 10:00:06
He's injured

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17 Aug 2015 10:44:48
Is he injured or is he off to juventus?

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17 Aug 2015 11:32:12
If we sell Oscar and keep Ramires and Mikel I will lose all faith in Jose. He got away without much criticism after selling Mata, De Bruyne and Lukaku because of his previous record with us but it is time to put Jose under the microscope (if he uses Oscar to get Pogba you can ignore the above!).

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17 Aug 2015 08:57:31
I'm not surprised by yesterdays result, I expected to loose and I expected to loose well. I delayed postying a took a deep breath - which ultimately only made my conspiracy theories grow, and grow.

Terry coming off at half time is the second time this season that I think Mourinho has made, what I'd describe as, statement substitutions. Against Swansea we saw Zouma come on into the midfield so that we could lump balls up to him - a statement that we had little other options to change the game offensively, none that would be effective anyway. Terry coming off at halftime yesterday made the clear statement that our defence is lacking pace, but why would you remove a defender who has been one of the BPL's best whilst never having any pace? Ivanovic and Cahill were awful yesterday too but subbing your Captain, Leader, Legend makes a much bigger statement.

When you add these substitutions to Mourinho's 'moral obligation to buy' statement it is clear that he wants new additions to the squad and isn't happy with the club for not acting faster - especially when you look at the players we've sold and the money we've made from said sales.

Problem is I think we have some sort of agreement with Everton to sign Stones next summer. Mourinho gave another interview recently, explaining our lack of summer transfer activity, where he described how we needed a new striker the year before we signed Costa, but knew we had agreed to buy Costa the next summer. I got the impression a similar deal had been made this summer and it makes sense that this would be for Stones. Greizmann has also signed a new deal at Atletico making his buy out clause astronomical.

If we are going to sign anyone it's a concern that we are leaving these deals to the last minuet, we all know what happens (Cuadrado) when we do that.

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17 Aug 2015 09:14:42
My guess would be that Jose was talking about Pogba or Griesmann next summer not Stones.

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17 Aug 2015 09:48:19
Will Chelsea be as attractive next summer?

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17 Aug 2015 09:50:51
I can confirm that there is no agreement with Everton mate, 2 offers rejected and your 3rd will be rejected by Friday, it would take a world record for a defender to make Everton even consider selling especially after the statements of "we are not selling him" that have been made.

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17 Aug 2015 11:40:14
I'd imagine a British record offer would be considered, but I also commented recently, on here, that staying at Everton must be an attractive proposal for the club to sell to Stones right now. When he does eventually leave, now or in a year or two it inevitably will happen, I just hope he doesn't end up in Manchester.

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17 Aug 2015 13:12:08
He will definitely go J, us Everton fans are 100% certain of that mate, as we all know money talks but ye know what not one Everton fan would begrudge the kid a top club as he has not once moaned/rocked the boat or as us Blues like to call it "pulled a Sterling"

He is going to be the next JT, not that I mean he will be coming to you guys as City and Utd both interested, I mean a CB legend for English Football for both club and country, I only wish we had the money to keep him.

Im pretty sure that after us stating he is not for sale then it would take something mighty like 45 million to get us to listen now, he will be at Everton until next season then that will be a starting price, honest mate he is that good and that's not just because I am biased

Good luck this season guys, I won't say anything about yesterdays match lol

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17 Aug 2015 08:44:34
Can someone please explain to me how Man City are able to spend so much money and stay within FFP? Sterling (£50m), and now they are reported to be pursuing De Bruyne (£50m) and Otamendi (£40m).

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17 Aug 2015 09:27:36
KDB and Otamendi are not Man.City players. Some players with extreme wages left as well. But they might be punished if they continue spending.

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17 Aug 2015 00:13:29
Don't think Costa will do as well as last season, he tries to get fooled and starts arguments too easily when he should hold up and out strength other players instead of falling down and complaining

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17 Aug 2015 08:53:24
I thought Costa was one of our few bright sparks yesterday. If you're looking for someone who isn't living up to the hype so far this season, try Hazard.

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17 Aug 2015 08:57:00
He's having to feed off scraps at the moment. Our 'creative' players are creating nothing for him at the moment.

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17 Aug 2015 00:12:20
I am probably going to get lots of hate for this but looking at Tue Man City game I noticed that matic although he is a great defensive player who is strong and great at tackles but he slows the counter attacks down and passes the ball a lot which isn't bad but when we are going forward he slows it down.

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17 Aug 2015 02:06:34
I disagree completely. He doesn't do that at all and that's not even his job anyway. Fabregas should be moving the ball quicker. Matic is maybe the best ball playing defensive midfielder around apart from maybe busquets and were so lucky to have him.

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17 Aug 2015 07:03:12
I thought Fabregas was Matic's problem. It takes two and once more Fabregas went missing. Time to leave him out and get him to knuckle down.

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{Ed001's Note - I remember when you bought him and I said about him doing that and that he was a mistake. The abuse I took, especially when he got off to a flyer, was amazing. Shame though, it is always nice when someone proves you wrong in these circumstances. Still it does give the rest of us a chance to keep up with Chelsea this season.}

17 Aug 2015 08:25:51
Ed001: Right behind you there. Never felt he was the complete article as he is only effective when you are dominating otherwise you might as well take him off and yesterday we were never going to dominate.

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{Ed001's Note - if you can't learn how to defend under Jose, you will never learn.}

17 Aug 2015 08:38:55
I totally disagree with the criticism of Matic. Matic is not the problem, the problem is Fabregas. Fabregas has no idea how to defend and when he plays next to Matic he throws our whole defence into turmoil. And he turns about as quick as milk in the fridge.

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17 Aug 2015 09:22:19
The one thing I will say about Matic is that he hasn't looked the same player (fitness wise) since injuring himself in the post-league cup celebrations. not sure what it is but he doesn't move as fluidly as before.

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17 Aug 2015 00:10:32
I would love for us to sign Pogba and Griezmann I know it won't happen but I can only dream

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17 Aug 2015 06:24:54
He has signed new deal with A.Madrid. His release clause is seriously up.

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17 Aug 2015 07:13:29
The silence is deafening but still two weeks to go before transfer cut-off. Griezmann's buy out is Euro 65m, not out of our range and he said nobody had spoken to him pre-season just his agent so why increase it; I still feel something is going on with us. Who knows what is going on with Pogba but performances like yesterday will not excite him.

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17 Aug 2015 07:45:43
Sorry Frenshman it's 80m€ now. You can find it today's press all over.

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17 Aug 2015 08:28:31
Antibot: My apologies. In my frustration with yesterday I didn't read the full article. However, that is still well within our capabilities given the money on offer for various elements of success this season.

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17 Aug 2015 08:57:57
Sorry Frensham, but there is zero chance of Greizman this window. If signing a new contract isn't a clear enough indication he is staying put this window for you, I genuinely worry for you mate.

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17 Aug 2015 09:18:06
Nice to hear from you Chuckles. With two weeks to go zero is not up for grabs yet, unlikely maybe but stranger things can happen. His contract remains the same to 2020, the release clause went up and he got a pay rise. AM need cash as they frequently make clear so they could well be tempted and we can afford it regardless of future expenditure so for the time being you just worry that I am wrong.

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17 Aug 2015 10:19:56
You've come up with a pet name for me precious! How cute, but I feel things may be moving too fast.

I can assure you, however, there is zero chance of the deal happening this window. Two weeks left or not. Now I know you're naive when it comes to these things, so I'll happily explain why. The player signed a new contract with a much higher buy out clause. You think he did this in the knowledge he would be leaving to join us? You think we are so stupid to allow our pants to be pulled down like that. Now I know what you're thinking, he loved Athletico (he played for one season, so unlikely) and wanted to make sure they got compensated when he left. Do you assume this would endear him to ME or JM? They'd think it showed loyalty or something? It ain't happening mate. You can sign him in Fifa15, but the real world of football transfers works a lot differently. He will be staying put for this season.

I'd be happy to eat my words, if I was wrong, but unfortunately, I won't be.

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17 Aug 2015 11:15:50
You could well be right in your assertion but with two weeks to go the others and I will hang on to that hope that something 'could' be going on behind the scenes. Now remember my words to you "it's a banter site' and your comment to me 'it should be fun', therefore when people have a thought or comment that you disapprove of try not to confuse banter and fun with spoilt brat. Look forward to many more duels of 'banter' and fun'.

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17 Aug 2015 15:18:26
Ok buddy. I do apologise if you take offence by what I say. Offence is taken and not given though, so I assure you it isn't malicious.

Remember your words, everyone is open to an opinion. So if mine hurts your feelings, you will have to learn to cope I'm afraid.

Also I am not the bloke begging for a new toy, so think twice before throwing out the spoilt brat tag

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17 Aug 2015 00:45:15
I really want to see Jose try starting both Costa and Falcao up front. Worked pretty well at athletico and the two seem to link up together when they play. Costa can look lost up front alone especially as his passing is poor so he struggles to hold it up and lay off. The two of them provide much more of a threat. Try it against west brom and palace and see how it goes.

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