Chelsea Banter Archive September 16 2012

 

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16 Sep 2012 23:11:27
Going to be an interesting 3 games coming up, all at home and 3 different competitions. Lets see which games mean the most to the club and how performances differ.

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16 Sep 2012 21:22:44
Hello Ed. If you fired your trainer before the january window, can you hire a new one or do you need to wait to the summer. {Ed002's Note - You can have a new one.}

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16 Sep 2012 21:51:58
Can teams agree transfers now to be completed in Jan?

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Yes as long as its between clubs and not tapping up. Pre contracts are allowed but cant finalise until January.

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Marin was completed in late April if my memory serves me right.

Tk

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Didnt join until window opened in June/July though I think. You can buy players and discuss terms at any point, they cant join the team unless the transfer window is opened, loan deals last longer and have extended terms, say for instance a team has way too many injuries and no players to fill the positions, they can have emergancy loan deals.

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16 Sep 2012 21:24:43
We all agree, RDM is way too defensive to be the one to take Chelsea forward in the long term. His team selections frustrate the life out of everyone.

On a brighter note. We are 7 points better off than last season from the Newcastle, Wigan and QPR games.

OsgoodIsKing

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If RDM is too defensive then why didnt he get a decent DM in the summer and play the only one we have on the wing?

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16 Sep 2012 21:15:43
RDM's lack of strategic logic and game plan justifies why RA was reluctant to give him the job. Even though we won our first three games with the exception of the Newcastle game, we were only better in the first half and individual brillance of Hazard winning us the game. He plays players out of position and relies extensively on unreliable palyers, keeps those supposed to play on the bench as well. Hes unable to read games and makes changes tactically but there only to rely on luck.

This Betrand at LW position is so pathetic, against Bayern fine we had shortage, he field him then we won, but to be frank Bayern shouldnt have played better than us.......since then this team has been his luck and keeps playing them week in and out without changes. Defensive against QPR, absolute joke...RA better do something about him cos with his tactics all our big games this season will just be like Man City and Atlectico.....Navy

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Well said!

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16 Sep 2012 20:55:36
I think this squad can do well against juventus but, knows RDM will think otherwise, its unfortunate

Cech
Ivanovic Luiz Cahill Cole
Ramires Lampard
Hazard Oscar Sturridge
Tores

Chelsea!

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Sturridge instead of Mata and Lampard instead of Mikel? dont think so m8

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This is a good side. i see youve rested mata &put ramires centrally. i think lamps needs a rest though, so mikel i guess. BLUEBOY1

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Mikel doesn't ever need rest. I cover more ground pacing my house in frustration every game than he does during the 90.

Tk

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^^^^^^same here.....aptly put

taby

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16 Sep 2012 20:16:55
Not sure what I think but just want people's thoughts and opinions,

Ivanovic cahil JT cole
Ramires luiz
Mata. Hazard Moses
Torres

V juventus
Is this a defensive team jr attacking or balanced or what? MattM

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I think its perfect my self. the defence and cech in goal is the right selection. youve got energy and quick players CM, the engine with bursting runs quick break up play, & very quick at tracking back. luiz not tried here but hes got the passing, pretty quick, and a good ball winner. and the the wingers and the 10, but i think hazard plays better on the wing. if marin is fit i would have him above moses. If mata is still rested the play hazard, oscar, marinmoses. sturridge needs game time, so 30 mins for him either outwide or replace torres.BLUEBOY1

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I'd say thats our strongest line up and glad someone else thinks Luiz would be better suited in the DMF role rather than CB. Marin would be better to start on the left and have Moses operate down the right as a sub. Torres has/must start finding his feet, I honestly dont think he can be bothered and he simply does not want to play for us. He does not show any signs of passion or drive, he does not get fired up and shout at his team mates he he does not get balls played to him. Drogba any day over him but not the horrid long ball tactics. scott m.

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16 Sep 2012 20:09:41
Why all the negativity! 2 stone wall pens not given, Hazard denied in 4th minute from a rami cross,
Mata,Marin to come back, Oscar settling into new surroundings, top of the league..Moses looking sharp, Sturridge looking lively, the list goes on..
COYB
GJ

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Im sorry mate yes we got some good individuals. but ther nt being played. and if we have to blame penalty decisions for not beating a team full of rejects. BLUEBOY1

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16 Sep 2012 20:00:14
If u have to make a team of the EPL only using 2 players from each team, what would u go for?
mine would be like this:

julio cesar
sagna.vermalean.vidic.bale
fellaini.yaya toure
silva.mata.hazard
van persie

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I would rather have it as Ashley Cole at LB,and the Hazard central with Bale out left
in att.midfied

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............................degea.........................

......walker.......vermalen....kompany..cole..

.....Fellaini............Silva..............bale.........

.........hazard.........Suarez.........rvp...........

carPetman

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Did you seriously just put de gea in your squad??

hart

walker kompany vermalen baines

fellani arteta

mata hazard

persie augero


how noone has picked augero is beyond me

the only reason i got baines over cole is because you said 2 from each team so yer

curt

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Aguero hasn't played a game for city this season because he is injured and if I can only put 2 from each team in the squad it worked out to put de gea in goal carPetman

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Cesar

Walker Kompany Vermalen Baines

Yaya

Hazard Mata Bale

RVP

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Vorm
Walker Kompany Vermaelen Cole
Fellaini Tiote
Hazard Cazorla
Tevez Rvp

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There not talking about just this season they mean any player playing in the league at the moment from this season and past seasons

personally id put al habsi in goal before de gea

curt

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You always disagree with me personally I put de dea in goal because it worked out.rtp it's this season. carPetman

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16 Sep 2012 19:41:13
i'd like to see something like this against weaker teams:

cech
azpilicueta.luiz.cahill.bertrand
ramires.oscar.mata
moses.sturridge.hazard

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16 Sep 2012 19:07:52
i think 4 those who go to the stadium every weeks should booooo to RDM.. this will give him a lesson..lol

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I think we should give him a little more time before we start booing him

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He doesnt deserve booing, BLUEBOY1

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If we start booing him now we are under huge pressure again I'm going to watch the Stoke game and I'm certainly not going to boo him

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Then you will watch the same thing over n over again..feel frustrated after every game..so sad..

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This isn't what was being written on here after the Newcastle game (2 games ago). Pathetic. If you can boo Di Matteo, you are not a true supporter, and I mean that. After all he has done for the club as a player and now as a manager!! Absolutely disgusting people can come on here and try to drum up support for something like this. Wouldn't happen at any other club in this country!!

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Boo, really! Knob off mate and go play the Sims or something.

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16 Sep 2012 19:06:24
Hi Ed002, How many players, with a view to adding to the 1st Team Squad would You expect to see arrive in January and are there any variables with this? I personaly feel We could do with a ball winner to add some midfield steel (Fellaini, M'Villa, Tiote type) and if they can distribute well even better and a Striker. Keep up the good work Ed...


Gavlaar {Ed002's Note - It is too early to say - perhaps a couple.}

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We have ramires and romeu for that.

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Why do keep talking about adding players when we're not even using the ones we already bought.

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16 Sep 2012 18:28:36
The sooner David Luiz plays in midfield the better. He started out as a midfielder. He simply is too attack minded to play in defence. But the main reason is not that he is a liability in defence (which he is) he is so damn good going forward. Good acceleration and pace, brilliant dribbling and technique, fantastic range of passing, and an eye for a goal, arriving into the box or shooting from distance. Combine this with good anticipation and interceptions, strong tackling and I don't see why he wouldn't be the best holding midfielder in the world in 2 years time. Also he could even play in a box to box role, a la Yaya Toure.
Tim

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I agree 100% people will always disagre because they are either lamps or mikel fan boys. i prefer ramires romeu combo second ramires luiz though

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16 Sep 2012 16:55:07
Ed 002, any way of contacting the Chelsea management team

Jm10 {Ed002's Note - For what purpose? You could write to thyem care of the club.}

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16 Sep 2012 16:53:17
Ed, i know Mata is being rested due to risk of burnout but do you know when he will return?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - Soon.}

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Wednesday I would have thought.

IB.

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16 Sep 2012 15:08:06
The line up for Juventus if I had my choice.

Cech
Ivanovic--Cahill--Terry--Cole
Ramires----Mikel
Moses----Mata----Hazard
Torres

But RDM will probably go with this line up:

Cech
Ivanovic--Cahill--Terry--Cole
Lampard----Mikel
Ramires-----Mata-----Hazard
Torres

PR!

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Spot on.
roan

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I agree but I think he will play luiz instead of Cahill.

Blue con

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Ideally i think this should be the team:

cech
ivanovic--cahill--terry--cole
ramires--mikel
oscar--mata--hazard
torres

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Oscar aint a winger

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Hazard will play on the right. but most likely they'll all interchange during the game.

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16 Sep 2012 13:45:55
What worries me is with all the new attacking signings we are not seeing a development to an attacking line up, an attacking line up would mean we have more of the ball and are more like to score.

Being defensive all we do is hoof the ball and lose it cheaply because we don't want to concede, to win a football match you have to score!

So please RDM change your ways before it's too late, because I think we have a real chance in winning the league.

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16 Sep 2012 13:23:17
Line up for Juve guys?I think it will be more of the same may be Mata for Bertrand but the rest will be the same.
Did any of you hear Moses dream of play for Barca one day!
He has just joined a big club why talk about Barca probably one of our biggest rivals!Strange.
roan

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Yeah it got on my nerves to roan. BLUEBOY1

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16 Sep 2012 12:54:00
Ed 002 Some months ago you mentioned that Frank might be off to the MLS in either January or the summer.
Have there been any developments on this front ?
Also given the 'interest' in Fellaini does the club have an alternative targets should a deal not be possible?
If so do you know who ?
Thanks {Ed002's Note - Whatever will happen with Lampard it will be based around what happens with his contract at the end of the season. I am not going to get in to Potential targets right now.}

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16 Sep 2012 12:08:49
When playing tougher teams I agree we shoul have two holding players but any team in bottom half of league we should go for it. We have gd
Enough defenders to cope.
Cech
Azpilcueta cahil luiz bertrand

Lamps. Ramires. Oscar

Marin. Mata

Sturridge
This would be my team v wolves in carling cup,

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We did that against Ath Madrid and got beat 4-1

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We did not go 4 it v madrid

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I think athletico Madrid with falcao are little better than Wolverhampton wonders... Agree? Plus Oscar and Sturridge and Marin didn't play and it's squad not team rest and swap players. Gd comment thou

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Yes playing 2 holding mids in a 4231 formation, but its not the point. the point is playing our best CM on the wing, and a left back keeping the left wing position from natural wingers. its a joke. BLUEBOY1

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Yeah I agree BLUEBOY1 why have Moses Marin and play our back up left back on wing and Ramires is brilliant at bombing forward with ball from deep or in middle, his not brilliant at taking on a player and putting in great cross, really wanna see Oscar get a start, quick passer and a great passer and has everything to create thing with hazard mata, I'd play him v juve

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16 Sep 2012 11:31:31
You are all complaining about Di Matteo and I agree completely. I think his line ups and game strategies are too defensive, considering the attacking talent we now have. However, RDM is Italian, a defensive system won him the Champions League and FA Cup in just 3 months, he has said to the media that he's not gonna change. If you've had so much success with a particular way of doing things, would you change it? The only thing i think it will take for RDM to change the style is a word in the ear from Roman.
Tim

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Like souness said we had a little bit of luck. Then look at our performances in the league last season under RDM we dropped places from where avb left.

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That's only because RDM prioritised cup games and didn't play his strongest team in the league ?

Blue con

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1. He is barely Italian and some of his supporters will point out how he coached an offensive system at his last EPL team.

2. We have talked all these good young players into signing and are not using them or are playing them out of position, I hope that doesn't hurt us with future signings.

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We didnt have our strongest side in the final. so no difference. plus if we had lost in munich, i would of blamed RDM for not finishing top 4.

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Reading these comments, just wish people would sign with a username i don't know if people are commenting on my opinion on one of the other comments!

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16 Sep 2012 10:35:44
All I can say is the best form of defence is attack, which clearly wasn't the case with yesterday line up!
Tbh if rdm (as much I love the guy) keeps being negative he will be gone!

Wheelycfc

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16 Sep 2012 10:21:26
Abramovich wants us to play like Barcelona. Fair enough we all do & he's spent the money to do so. So why don't we play 4-3-3 like they do? We have the players to do it. Mikel-lamps/Ramirez-mata then hazard-Torres-Marin/Moses plus we still have Oscar sturridge etc to challenge for places. It's what we played early on under Jose seems the obvious choice. Torres needs players closer to him & this formation still allows full backs to push on. This formation requires pace in the front three quality in the middle. Something we have in spades!

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When has roman said that?

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OSCAR TO CHALLENGE FOR PLACES?!?!?!
Are you crazy the guy is one of the best players we have, he is maybe going to get as good as Hazard at some point he wil just play differently than him. It's plain stupid to bench him he is even the keyman for Brazil's national/OL team and yet he is benched for lampard or bertrand......

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16 Sep 2012 09:56:37
As much as i hate myself for saying it, It seems as though lampard is being picked purely from his reputation. We keep getting overran in midfield and it seems as though we need a diame type player, who reminds me of yaya toure. Against teams such as qpr Betrand should not be starting, why not play Moses/ Oscar .

And how can it be that so many ordinary people can see what is blatantly wrong but the Chelsea management team getting paid millions seem to get the basics.

Solution, keep terry and Cahill at the back, move luiz and Ramires into the middle, and interchange with
Oscar, Marin,Moses, hazard, and mata for the attacking 3.

Cech
Azpi Cahill terry cole
Ramires luiz
Hazard Oscar mata
Torres

This team would win titles

Jm10

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Couldn't agree more!
TcBlue

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I would maybe see us like to sign someone like Sahin or M'Villa or Cabaye in the Luiz position to maybe distribute the ball a bit

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Why buy more players when we haven't given all the ones we have a chance i.e romeu?!?

Jim 132

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Luiz is good at distributing the ball. Oh and top post JM10. Toatally agree.

ELI

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I wish i could just email that starting XI to Robbie. It's just so frustrating when he has those players at his disposal but he doesn't use them properly! It is a squad game these days but that line up is probably our strongest ATM, maybe apart from Azpi not having any PL expericence. If he got those 11 players regularly starting and gelling then silverware would most definitely be on the cards this year.
Tim

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We get over ran because our 2 slowest players play ther. if it was ramires and romeu or luiz we would be perfect.

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I really wanna see Romeu instead of Luiz, im sure he is gonna be very very good if he just get some playing time. apart from that the lineup looks pretty good, maybe have ivanocic instead of Terry sometimes.

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16 Sep 2012 09:23:50
We have some of the best attacking talent in the WORLD , yet we still fail to create clear-cut chances.

The sad truth is, if hazard is not firing, Chelsea do not win

Jm10

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When Marin is fit he is capable of having the same impact as Hazard.

We need more fluidity between defence and attack.

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Its because most of them are on the bench

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16 Sep 2012 08:24:15
My only feeling after the game. Was that of feeling perplexed. The formation yesterday was wrong. Fair ( prob should've been 4-1-3-2) Bertrand shouldn't have started. - prob should've been Oscar/Moses. My main worries were though that we didn't have a plan b. Love him but that IS RDM's fault. My main problem though was distribution. If Czech kicks long one more time I swear I'm gonna kill someone. There's no point we're basically just giving the ball away every time. That tactic will never work!! Even if Torres does win the ball there's no one within 30 yards of him. Also I know the idea of having 2 holding means it allows our full backs to push on but clearly that backfired yesterday as the negative approach ( ie holding mids, & playing Bertrand) ment they came onto us pushing the full backs back.

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16 Sep 2012 08:08:43
Guys despite all the negativity remember. We took more points yesterday than we did last season and that kept us top of the league. As for those who say we were outplayed. What game were you watching? Cech had one save from a Ji-Sung header and we had one scare after Mikels back-pass. All QPR did was sit back and play for a point as they knew we were better than them. Juventus will be a whole lot different as they will be coming to attack and win, not defend an 18 yard box.
My team i'd pick against Juventus
Cech
Ivanovic Terry Luiz Cole
Ramires Oscar
Moses Mata Hazard
Torres
Keep the faith!
CFCFOREVER!

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RDM will play with Ramires out wide, no doubt.

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The team for Juventus will be:
Cech
Ivanovic Luiz Terry Cole
Mikel Lampard
Ramires Hazard Mata
Torres

The only possible change to the line-up would be Cahill in for Luiz or JT if he's injured. Personally it's not the line-up I'd pick but RDM will go for the tried and tested routine in order to avoid losing.
In RDM's eyes we only have 2 players who can play in the holding role; Lampard and Mikel. Ramires is a RW, Oscar is a AM and Romeu who?

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And, Mikel and Lampard will play

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Mikel and lampard together at DM wil mean we lose against any good team. Lampard is NOT a good defensive player he looks like a chicken bench him for god sake get some balls RDM. we need either Romeu to take his place or Ramies and put Oscar in.

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16 Sep 2012 06:55:03
I am worried because we have got absolutely no approach play.Your style of play dictates how much possession you have and how easily you create chances.For example look at Barca their ball retention is about 70 percent most of the time.They pass it around rarely giving up the ball and dictate the pace of the match.Arsenal do the same though a bit less effectively.Man u play a fast high pressure game surrounding the opponent and putting ball after ball in dangerous areas.To an extent Liverpool although they cannot seem to win are at least playing a good passing football where the whole team is moving higher up to press the opposition and squeeze the space and winning second ball,though Swansea right now are doing it more effectively.Man City play a slick one touch passing game.
Fulham and Wigan pass the ball around well.
Mark all the teams above play mostly with one striker may be with the exception of Man u and City.They are all playing to a game plan and follow a pattern of play depending on the quality of players they have the success rate varies.We have other hand no pattern of play ,zero ball retention ,we just lump it forward and hope for the best.
The simple fact is Torres performed brilliantly for Liverpool as a lone striker ,he performs very well for Spain as a lone striker,so the real question is what is wrong when he plays for us?
The thing is we have no approach play, no game plan of passing the ball around .It is just 4 or five passes between defenders and the goal keeper and then we lump the ball long hoping for Torres or Hazard now to hold it up and bring others into play.Just the way Drogba used to do it.But there could not be two more different strikers .Torres is a fast pacy striker who makes runs, creates space and goes past players to score goals.He is more of a give and go striker who feed on through balls and running on the channels.
But unfortunately holding the ball up and bringing others into play is just not his forte.A team has to pass the ball around for strikers like him to be successful.Hence he has struggled to adapt with our route one strategy.And unfortunately the manager does not seem to realize this so far and will never realize it probably.
Notice the case of Anelka when Ballack,Deco were around the guy scored 19 goals ,he is a player who is very similar to Torres.But what happened when Ballack(who intelligently passed the ball and dictated play) and to an lesser extent Deco left all the goals dried up for him as with Lamps in the middle with Mikel and Essien the passing game went up in smoke and Anelka struggled big time.Then Torres came he too struggled,the only one that could play that type of game was Drogba.
This is no coincidence that when Lamps and Mikel play Torres struggles to score.
When was the last time any of our strikers had a tap in that you see regularly from all the other big sides. We all rave about RVP,Aguero,Rooney,sure they have scored some great goals but a good 70 percent of their goals are tap in or close finishes.That is what good approach play that suits you strikers does for you.We had bought Torres so that we could change the style of our team it did not work out we remained the same,then we have brought Players like Hazard ,Mata, Oscar,Marin players who know only one way of playing that is by passing the ball around and making runs.But strangely enough our style has not changed one bit with most of the players we brought bench warming and there was not even an hint that we were going to change.Apparently now not only Torres is being wasted we have started wasting Hazad too.
This is entirely upto the manager ,who unfortunately even with all the potential he has at his disposal,he does not have a freaking clue.
roan

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I agree on pretty much everything you say, Oscar wil soon get as good as ballack if he get some playing time. It is just insane how he keeps him on the bench instead of lamps/mikel/bertrand. As to the tactics, it seems to me we dont have one really we just play it around and, see if some of their defenders make a mistake or out or place without making runs or anything. As much as i love Rdm for last season, i beg to get him replaced if he dont change things around if all the new ones gets used to play like this we are doomed.

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16 Sep 2012 06:09:57
Hate to say it but as soon as I saw the team sheet I knew exactly how the game would play out. That lineup may do a job against barca but qpr isn't even in the same hemisphere and is very content with getting a point. Other than that Luiz looked really sharp. Bran didn't get forward nearly as often which I think may have something to do with Monaco. I didn't like Torres storming off more from a team perspective than anything. He had every right to be mad as RDM put him on an island and he was forced to make plays literally on his own. Robbies tactics might work when you have a drogba that made a career out of knicking goals without service but that is no longer the case. It's a shame it's always the same things I bitch about.

Tk

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I had no problem with Torres walking off, I honestly think RDM is anti-Torres and often the line up and long balls prove it. It was disgraceful seeing Torres having to drop back to DM positions to pick up balls.

I also think RDM is scared of Lampard. How many tackles did he miss yesterday? He's NOT a defensive mid, but he could still do a job for us in his old position, but as a sub.

And, how do we start Bertrand and Lampard out of position and leave Brazil's starting no. 10 on the bench? Mata needed a rest, but play Oscar then and let Hazard play on the left, he drifts there anyway.

I think RDM was testing a formation for Juve and while I'd not like to lose games, I'd like to win some as well.

I think we will see flashes of brilliance from our brilliant players this year, but things will really start to gel when the new manager arrives next year.

Let's just continue to support our team and help keep the players spirits up as we've done with Torres and no doubt the other new players are going to get frustrated and need the lift too.

Craig

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Couldn't agree more, When was the last time a Brazilian #10 wasn't good enough to start for his club team, a team that was starting S Kalou

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You had no problem with torres walking off?

hes pathetic with his tantrums he might aswel leave now and let studge start

craig new manager next year ?? do you know something we dont

curt

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Hey Curt, love the way you defend Sturridge and then complain about Torres' tantrums.

No, I didn't have a problem with him being frustrated, I was just as frustrated and it appears that others on here were also annoyed at the setup. And if Cech lumped the ball up one more time...

And yes, I think we will see a new manager next year. I don't know any other manager in the Prem who has only been given a two year contract with a one year get out clause.

Craig

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Im not defending studge im saying he should be starting over torres if torres is going to have tantrums and not stay to watch the team if hes so frustrated then maybe he should learn to play football again

gerrard got sent against ukraine and stayed in the tunnel and was glued to the screen because he physically wasnt allowed to stay pitch side

curt

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Lots of players throw tantrums, hasn't Sturridge?

I think Gerrard was glued to the screen to see if his sending off would affect the outcome of the game. But I can see how you think the two situations are the same, um, no, actually I can't.

Craig

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