Chelsea Banter Archive June 16 2012

16 Jun 2012 20:14:42
random question if barcalona said give us 100 million and u can have either messi, iniesta or xavi who would you all pick ?

me personally would go for iniesta (i know you will all disagree) reason being messi would most likely take torres's place and i dont want that i like torres and iniesta plays with torres for spain so think he would get him scoring with ease

i know its a pointless question because it will never happen but gives something to talk about

curt

Sure INIESTA ,, he is simply the best midfielder in football now. Xavi is just there to pass a ball ( perfect passes ) but still does nothing else ! Iniesta will lift Chelsea to the next level for sure.

100 million for iniesta lol no way

Agree curt , barca would want more than 100m for messi anyways

Jm10

Iniesta
trevy

Messi all day every day. Cant think of any logic that could even make a tiny case for for taking Iniesta or Xavi over Messi. Wouldnt mind Iniesta or Xavi though dont get me wrong haha

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Iniesta for me too mate. If there's a player who can change a game it's a Cam. Iniesta is arguably the best in the world at that position. Xavi can pass as well as Iniesta but cant dribble or shoot as well IMO. And messi isn't 'all that'. Look when he played against us. Looked like a 10 million pound player.
TcBlue.

Messi isn't all that?!?! Are u JOKING me? I watch him weekly and seen him live a couple of times, he is without a doubt the greatest player I've ever seen, VERY closely followed by Ronaldo I might add!

So Mr unnamed poster you agree that messi was world class against us this year? All I'm saying is that he's not the 'god' everyone thinks he is.
TcBlue.

I think ronaldo's much better messi has iniesta,xavi,alves etc around him

i mean its no secret torres had a bad season he bangs in 2 goals when xavi and iniesta are there

gotta agree with tc on that one

we werent at our best last season and messi still couldn't score (including a penalty i may add)

curt

Its not like ronaldo has mugs playing with him. ozil, di maria, alonso, benzema all quality players.
trout

Messi.

He is the most talented footballer of this generation and is becoming a candidate for the best player ever. Iniesta and Xavi do not make that category.

Messi has it all. Pace, acceleration, creativity, strength, finishing and passing.

Easy choice for me.

IB.

Also how anyone can say Ronaldo is much better than Messi is beyond me.

He comes a reasonably close second.

IB.

Easy i just said ronaldo is much better :D

LOL @ messi has strength

atleast you made me laugh IB

curt

Curt, have you ever even watched a football match?

Tell me how often Messi gets pushed/muscled off the ball? You quite blatantly have no idea what you are talking about.

If you want to marry Ronaldo, just come out and say it.

IB.

No i think your the one who hasnt seen him

and quite frankly im not sure you even know what football is

he falls over abit

what you mean is his balance is quite good thats completely different to strength you mong

curt

Someone who has balance but no strength is still going to get pushed of the ball.

It's physics. I would tell you to use your brain but.....

IB.

Oh and just to quote you 'he falls over a bit', very next line, 'his balance is quite good'.

Let's just agree to disagree.

IB.

Not always augero has good balance but no strength he dont fall over all the time

better idea stop disagreeing with everything i say for the hell of it

curt

That's not what I'm doing Curt. Aguero does have strength as well, in a very similar sense to Messi. Low centre of gravity helps as well.

IB.

16 Jun 2012 19:55:58
Ed is Chelsea interested in Maicon of Inter, I've seen reports that Chelsea made a 10 million euro offer with competition from psg and real madrid {Ed002's Note - I doubt it.}

He's 30 I hope not

16 Jun 2012 18:29:13
I would sign Hulk over Jovetic because he can play on the very well on the right wing and can double up as a striker effectively..I have seen enough of his game to know that he will add something valuable to the side.Plus with name of HULK the shirt sales will be epic.
roan

Yer agreed mate i posted about jovetic and hulks stats further down the page :D

i can see the crowd being blue and green next season lol

curt

I can only really comment on hulk, cuz not seen much of jovetic play much. But some people think he is a really special player. But I like hulk aswell BLUEBOY1

Further down the page i posted some stats on them both if u wana have a look blueboy :)

curt

16 Jun 2012 15:54:50
What player from the italian league have chelsea almost signed

?. Proitos

Where did u hear we was signing some1 from italy league? BLUEBOY1

Cavani maybe? hope it is if true

I think he's talking about jovetic but we haven't even made an offer
Trout

I cant see cavani joining us to be honest

curt

The only way I see cavani or falcao joining is if Torres leaves.

Tk

16 Jun 2012 14:29:35
Do people generally think we are gonna sign hulk, jovetic, fellaini, debauchy, van der wiel and falcao/Cavani? That's about £150m on top of hazard and Marin... Stop dreaming, it's not gonna happen and it would be a colossal waste of money if it did {Ed002's Note - They will not all sign. I don't think anyone is suggesting that.}

What are you on about? Nobody suggested we want to sign all them. It is you who is dreaming. Proitos

People have suggested hulk and a right back are going to be most likely and thats because they are going to be most likely

the other ones are just who people would like to see at the club and are hoping we sign because they are good players

curt

16 Jun 2012 13:21:34
As with the transfers maybe Ben arfa is quite a good choice coz i think Hulk is expensive . Hate 2 admit ed but evrytime Chelsea buy an expensive striker, he's just nothng, sorry 2 say as i have seen Schev n Torres at the moment i have 2 say he's out of form, Maybe how long well wait fr hm 2 shine. But as for Drogba, at first when Chelsea buy him, hes nothng as compared to Schev n Torres but now we don't want him leave. This is just my View as a fan. KTBFFH

Don't see how you can say Torres is out of form, he scored two the other night (albeit against a very poor Irish team) but even so he looked sharp and looked like he wanted the ball again, a lot like he did towards the end of last season actually. Most importantly though he looked confident infront of goal again, and hopefully he'll be a big player for us next year.

SW

16 Jun 2012 12:09:38
I guess we are going in for a cheaper,younger alternative to Hulk, Jovetic. I personally like Jovetic he's a good player ,he's quick, he can make that killer pass ,and scores a lot. Definitely if he comes in he will get a whole lot better. I've watched him a lot in fiorentina and montenegro and he has a lot of quality. Hulk vs. Jovetic .they are both good players and any of them would improve the team in different ways .what do you guys think. Agree for Hulk,disagree for jovetic. Definitely Jovetic for me.

ELI

I saw someone say the other day hulk is a youtube footballer, i rate hulk highly but not 38 million. i can judge hulk because ive watched him play numerous times, but i can not judge jovetic apart from youtube videos, but i dont just watch the best of ones i try and watch the 10 - 15 mins from outtakes of a single game he plays for fiorentina. he does look good, it is youtube judging. isnt jovetic young and had knee problems though? BLUEBOY1

16 Jun 2012 09:23:05
Just a Curious Thought. Do Chelsea have interest in Kevin Prince Boateng? {Ed002's Note - No.}

It would be damn fun to watch him and rami run a midfield.

Tk

16 Jun 2012 07:48:42
I feel like there's been a lot said about Lukaku's lack of form and chances with the first team, but at 19 he can hardly be considered a failure at Chelsea right? This is surely the media overhyping the situation?

Everyone wrote off drogba at first and look what happened there

Media overhyping the situation? Surely they don't do such things.

Use your own common sense on this one buddy, if not you can borrow mine: Lukaku has a long, bright future at Chelsea. He as you said is 19, he was a beast against men in the Belgium League. He is built like a brick sh*thouse and will dominate defenders in the Prem in the future.

Not to mention the kid requested a transfer to CHELSEA. He expressed that the only club he wanted to join was CHELSEA. He supported Chelsea as a boy and loves the club. To me that gives him a decade to come good.

Melbourne CFC

If he puts the work in, which i fully expect he has the desire to do, he will definitely be able to score lots of goals at the highest level

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I think lukaku looks good the only problem i see with him is his first touch tends to let him down

can see him being alot like drogba in years too come

curt

It's tough when you have drogba and torres ahead of you in a one striker setup.

Tk

16 Jun 2012 01:22:05
Hey guys, just a quick one.. I've noticed a lot of posts about people slating Sturridge. I don't believe this is fair on the lad personally. Someone give me one reason as to why they think he's a terrible player other than the fact he's greedy? Personally I don't think anyone can, and if there is someone who can that I couldn't come up with a reason for it then I'll openly acknowledge that I was wrong. Although I don't agree with him being greedy, and yes he should pass the ball a lot more than he does, I do believe that it's more the management and coaching staff's fault than his own. I mean, lets face it he's a striker not a winger. You can tell he wasn't happy to be played on the wing, and he never really has been. The reason he's greedy is because he wants to show that he can score the goals to get into his strikers role. Yes you can say that he would get more recognition if he passed the ball more, but if he did that what kind of recognition would he receive? He would get recognition as a good playmaker/winger. Nothing else. He would be even less likely to get his striker role. Personally I would love to see him partner Torres up front (No I don't think he should be picked ahead of Torres nor am I trying to say that Torres doesn't deserve a spot in the team) I think they would make a fantastic partnership! Discuss? :)

Ash

I'm sorry but this is crap. Blaming the coaching staff for him being a baby is purely wrong. He should be happy they're playing him there because he would be the third choice striker and therefore not see the field. Beyond being greedy he is completely one footed and doesn't track back. I'm pretty sure I've never heard a player get slated for being an unselfish TEAM player. If we are looking for players who don't play for the club then I would hope they would be better than him.

Tk

Sturridge greedy, big headed, even his old man thinks hes better than actually is, he doesnt help the team defend or track back, if some on releases the ball to him he slows our play down by coming back toward our goal, because hes so kak at passing, tries takin someone on fuks it up &just punts the ball at some one hopeing they clear up his mess when really he should passed to someone in a better position and puts us under preasure. never liked him never will, someone offer 2o million take it. never guna b a great player.

For me personally the main problem with sturridge is he has low footballing IQ. He never knows where his teammates are, his decision making is poor and as a striker sometimes he doesnt even know where the goal is. I think he has had a lot of scoring opportunities last season which he didnt take (shot wide, shot over, or just fluffed it). If he were that good then i wouldnt mind him starting before torres, but the fact remains that he's just not good enough even playing as a striker.But he's still young and i sincerely hope someone good can work on both his attitude and technical abilities, he has the potential to be a good player. As for partnering torres, i dont think that would be a good idea right now, he'll just go looking for glory himself and leave torres frustrated
Well thats the way i see it

aL

I agree with most of what youve just said. Ive been saying this all season, he deserves his chance. I don't believe its the coaches fault, more his age and i think he will mature team play wise as gets older. I have finally found someone who doesn't hate sturridge!
jono

He is wasteful, his shooting is not great, his crossing is worse and he rarely spots a good pass.... how about all of those?

Moving away from psychological causes like greed which I am not qualified to comment, Sturridge lacks football education like for example lifting his head up to look where his fellow players are. It amazes me the fact that spending so much time with players like Drogba and Torres has taught him nothing. He is ok don't get me wrong but a player for Bolton not for us. Proitos

Backs out of basically every challenge. Doesn't consider the teams needs. When he does actually try to pass, often enough its the wrong choice.
I am also open to being proved wrong but thats my opinion on him, certainly think with the right coaching that he is worth holding onto for at least another 2 years if he's happy to see how he develops.

AK

I think actually that Sturridge is showing his Ambition. Remember last season was his first full season as a first team/bench player and he was trying to show his abilities. In my opinion he is a technically gifted player, but needs to improve his footballing knowledge and he needs to mature. Remember in the Villas Boas era he scored 10+ goals(don't know actual figure) but thats alot in 2/3 of a season for a young lad and it being his first season.

Give him a chance and let him be Torres's backup!

PR!

@ Tk, Just because someone has a difference of opinion to you is no reason to call it crap. Because I disagree with your opinion does that mean that I can say that everything you think is a load of bull s**t, and should there for not even be given the time of day to reply to? So you feel that AVB did an absolutely fantastic job and should not have been sacked? Yes he's one footed, that however hardly makes someone a bad player. How can you say he 'doesn't' track back, I've seen him track back plenty. If we are looking at bringing in first team players then yes, they should be better than him bearing in mind that he's still young and continually improving.

@ Unnamed 1, I've already said he's greedy. Many and most football players are big headed. I don't know what games you've been watching the past season but he's by far not the only person in our team that passes back towards our own goal. You say he messes it up when he tries to go past people, but there have been plenty of times where he's gotten past them and either scored, tried to set someone up (Mainly first 1/4 of the season) or won a corner/free kick/throw in. The next two parts come under the greedy concept again.

@ aL Most of what you have said comes under parts that I have already mentioned/answered back to. However your feeling of a partnership with Torres, I'd have to disagree purely because (As I've said before) the reason he is greedy is because he plays on the wing. I personally think he'd be far more of a team player if he was played centrally. Such as when he was on loan at Bolton!

@ Jono, Nice to see there are a couple of Sturridge believers still!

@ Unnamed 2, Wasteful and shooting not being great are the same thing. He's young and he also had one of our best strike rates last season even though he barely played in the RDM period. His crossing is bad, I agree. But he's a striker not a winger or midfielder so you shouldn't really expect him to excel in those parts. Yes some strikers can cross extremely well, but I could name a lot that can't. He doesn't spot good passes because he doesn't want to pass as I said in my first post.

@ Proitos, Drogba was at the Africa cup of nations and also injured for a while. Torres had a terrible season up until the closing stages of the season, could you really blame him for not learning loads from them this season (And no I'm not blasting either of them to defend Sturridge as I like both Torres and Drogba.).

@ AK, I feel I've covered most of this. I agree he doesn't commit to enough challenges however that should also come with experience imo. Teams needs = Greed. Passing = Greed again, Plainly because he gets to a point where he doesn't feel he can do anything so passes to a player so it looks like he's trying to play as part of the team.

Sorry for the length of my reply however I've been away for a couple of days and not had access to my computer!

Ash

16 Jun 2012 00:46:05
Just watched the match highlights on ITV and thought my TV speakers had gone funny? Then i realised...that IS actually how Jamie Carragher speaks.

OsgoodIsKing