Chelsea Banter Archive July 13 2015

 

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13 Jul 2015 21:22:56
Why do people keep feeling the need that we need to sign Isco. I can't wait to see Oscar next season after a proper rest for the first time in three years. If he's poor through the season then sell him and preferably move Willian to no.10. Apart from Hazard we don't have another attacking midfielder who can score goals. Costa is injury prone, Falcao is out of form so yes I do want Pedro. He scores goals not 20+ a season but he'll get 10-15 which we lack whether he would start for us or not. i'd prefer to see Andre Gomes instead of Isco but he's just signed for Valencia unfortunately.

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13 Jul 2015 21:41:21
Gomes would be godly! Agree with you on that. I'd love Isco here, but only if Cuadrado leaves. I also look forward to watching Oscar next year. He'll be excellent for us, I feel it.

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14 Jul 2015 04:17:45
Andre Gomes . definitely, I think we are still interested in him and I think if Oscar goes then we will be in for him. Gomes next to Matic will be just perfect

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14 Jul 2015 10:38:42
I wonder if we are 'liking' this player or that player because we have nothing else to talk about just yet. Like many I am a huge fan of Oscar, on his day, but he was anonymous in many games last year and his scoring record for us is poor, one goal every five games. Isco, whether we have offered something or just Agents speak we don't really know but he is at his best attacking when he scores every other game so in that role he could be a good addition. Pedro is close to a goal every three games but I cannot see him scoring that in the Premiership. So where does that leave us, clutching at straws to be honest. We all know we need another frontline scorer as Hazard may find it harder this year and Costa has the injury and booking vulnerability. If only Frank Lampard was ten years younger!

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13 Jul 2015 15:14:36
A lot of people not liking the idea of pedro possibly signing but I would say he's better than cuadrado and that's who we have a this moment. I do agree that he's not as hard working as Willian but he does have quality in which we are lacking like his ability to run at the opposition with pace. We only have hazard who does that on a regular basis. If we cannot bring in the top names like pogba, greizman etc then pedro is still a step up from cuadrado/Ramires playing right wing.
(That's if the club are even interested in pedro).

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13 Jul 2015 16:01:48
The problem is that maybe in English Premier League, defenders won't give u the space to run across them like Li Liga. They would knock you down/tackle/make a minor foul or many ways to slow u down. You got to pass them by our speed and dribbling skills. At that time, he might become another Cuadrado - useless in the wings an too weak to pass the opponents. but at least Cuadrado could chase back and defend (his original position is left back). Watching clips in youtube u can recognize the differences in style between Pedro and typical EPL wingers ( Hazard, Sterling or Sanchez, Silva)

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13 Jul 2015 19:18:29
He's a very hard working player and archetypal of barcas pressing game from peps time there and has a decent end product. would be a very good signing.

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13 Jul 2015 20:04:18
You say it'd be a good signing. But what message would adding Pedro send towards Traore? The guy is clearly supremely talented and putting another new body in front of him is not going to help. Unless Cuadrado leaves, I don't think a winger should be added.

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13 Jul 2015 20:54:15
Jackson if you think like that why not sell the first team and play all the youth players. Somewhere along the line traore will need to spend time around the first team squad but can we rely on someone who has played one season in a league about as good as the championship to be our starting right winger. Traore I'm sure is a good player but for me a premiership loan would be better for the player and club. If pedro was brought in that would give us a goal scoring right sided player, do we really need someone tracking back all the time when we play two holding players. Pedro is good enough to do a job for us but I do understand your point but I don't think he's quite good enough yet (traore) to be a starting player.

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13 Jul 2015 21:30:47
I'll have to side with Jackson regarding Pedro. I do not think he will add a great deal to a team that needs to take another step forward. I felt Cuadrado a strange purchase and over priced and he is clearly too lightweight for the Premiership and I cannot see Pedro being much different. To drop this on Traore would be extremely disappointing for the guy as he is clearly a very, very good player in the making. I am praying we buy an attacking midfielder who is capable of tracking back not a winger.

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13 Jul 2015 21:44:21
I'm not saying Traore should be starting immediately. But we have Hazard and Oscar who play most games, and then there's still Cuadrado, Willian and Traore for that spot on the right. He doesn't need to start. He's fifth choice to start the season and that's good, also for depth. But if we bring in someone else without offloading a player first, then suddenly Traore is 6th choice and he won't get a look in. That's my problem with it. If Cuad leaves, then by all means bring in Pedro.

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13 Jul 2015 23:25:04
There's every chance Traore will be 3rd choice striker. i'd suspect Cuadrado will leave and Pedro would be an excellent signing.

I agree 100% about the positivity around Oscar - I think he's going to break out next season in a big way!

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13 Jul 2015 23:26:04
Jackson why you say oscar will definitely start? I really believe its oscar who has to worry about his place in atarting 11 and not Willian

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14 Jul 2015 07:20:33
When Oscar is fit, he's one of our most important players. He makes the team tick and makes the play fluent. His absence and lack of form during the 2nd half of the season were a big part in our scrappy play to win the title. He makes us better, and it's a quality that you can't translate into stats and such.
So when he's available and fit, Oscar should start. And I believe Mourinho realises this as well. Mourinho only has to make sure that he rotates him enough to keep him fresh.

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13 Jul 2015 14:32:09
Hello guys,

Im just curious and want to share my feelings.

I admit that I feel jealous when MU finished the deal with Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger, Depay, Darmian.

They also bought a lot last year already. Mata, Maria, Rojo, Luke Shaw, Fellani.

Besides that, there are many sources pointing out that they are aiming at Otamendi or Gaitan, Cavani or some other striker. And defenitely, they will buy s.o for those positions soon.

At the same time, we just got our Falcao and Begovic - I know they are good, however, they are not really starting signings.


What do u guys think? Just share your thinking and correct me if u feel I was wrong at some point.

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13 Jul 2015 15:01:31
I think United are rebuilding their team, let's be honest they've fallen a long way off Championship pace. We won the league at a canter last season and only really need to add bits and pieces - we certainly don't need to upgrade in the same way as United. I'm not going to lie, I found the end of last season a bit of an anticlimax - a bit boring.

United will be stronger and more competitive but we will certainly still be competitive too - I'm really looking forward to next season.

There is still a way to go in the window - I'm sure we'll still be active.

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13 Jul 2015 15:36:28
Yeah, I know we will be active and buy some players - but its a little depressed when looking at our linked targets:

- A Columbia guy called Charles Aranguiz for CM - I've never heard of him before - hope he could prove that I was too much underestimating him if we bought him.

- Pedro (Barca) for RM. At least I know Pedro but he nearly 28 ( in 2 weeks) and he never show me of his man-passing skills. In Barcelona - he play crossing and short - passing. He doesn't play the style we need ( and Premier League needs). He can learn for sure with his professionalism, but he is 28 already, nearly fully developed. Personally, I think Sterling is better than him ( and he is signing Man City).

Again, I just share my points of view, hope u guys could join me.

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13 Jul 2015 18:28:08
I wouldn't say I'm feeling jealous of them, but they sure are improving and I don't like it. The players they are bringing in are also good fits, in positions where they actually needed reinforcements. Come the end of the summer they might just be the team to beat.

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13 Jul 2015 22:46:46
They require a lot more work than we do. Having said that I am jealous that they seem to be getting their first choice signings, whilst we seem to be struggling. Although the calibre of player we've been trying for are harder to get as they already play for top teams. Personally I have no idea who aranguiz is or whether he'd be a good signing, I do think that if we can't get a top class foreign player then we should be trying to bring in a HG player. Also not really a fan of Pedro.

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14 Jul 2015 14:31:20
Their team is vastly easier to upgrade than ours. The only signing they've made that would potentially get into our starting 11 would be schweinsteiger. They're making some solid purchases but are still a good ways off where we stand.

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14 Jul 2015 20:09:37
Everyone agrees Manchester United needed to strengthen their team and they have been spending money BUT what have they bought:- 1)Schneiderlin and 2)Schweinsteiger, 3)Depay, 4)Darmian.
1) We have encountered before and holds no fears as nothing particularly special. 2)Not the player he was and could end up a 'name' more than a star. 3)He is interesting as potential but Dutch goal scorers do not always translate to Premiership goal scorers 4)He's foreign and we would probably have been a bit downbeat if we had bought him. Our two additions add value to the squad and Falcao 'could' turn out to be a Mourinho gem. It is the remaining two we are waiting for!

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13 Jul 2015 12:33:15
Begovic confirmed as a Chelsea player, interesting to note he also counts as a homegrown player for the League and Champions League.

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13 Jul 2015 13:48:48
If he really does count as home grown it is absolutely perfect.
He is fantastic goalkeeper anyway.
Great news!🙌

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13 Jul 2015 14:39:02
Yes, Begovic is a homegrown player for now.

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13 Jul 2015 18:29:04
I think the new rules won't change the status of current players so he'll stay homegrown. Best possible back up keeper, excellent business also with MVG going there on loan.

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13 Jul 2015 09:53:17
In last four games Mourinho abandoned 4231 formation and field 4312 formation instead. The first game vs WBA was unsuccessful but the next 3 games he had won.
Guys, please stop focusing on 4231 because we have no idea which formation Mourinho will use next season. Don't forget that he won CL with Inter playing 4312.
Cuadrado will probably leave but Oscar and Mikel will probably stay.
It seems that he decided to put Hazard on his natural position CAM or number ten as many call it.

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13 Jul 2015 11:02:48
People shouldn't get so hyped about formations at all! Some games we'll start wth a certain formation and in other games we might start with a different formation. During games we'll change formations depending on how the game is going.

We're not going to play an entire season with just one formation and you don't build a squad around one formation; if you want to win titles you need a squad that can cope with multiple formations and tactics.

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13 Jul 2015 12:51:30
I agree with you to some point, but majority of coaches pick one or two formations and play them trough a season. It should be the way you said but in real life it is different.

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13 Jul 2015 14:04:25
J. I don't want to explore formations subject anymore. Modern football (or soccer) is played in only 3 basic formations 343(3412;3232;3421),442(41212;4312;4411;4222) and 451(4321-433;4231;4141-433;4123). And that's it! How the team will play offensive or defensive is up to where the players on the pitch are positioned. Everyone plays with one or two strikers.Nobody plays with three really.

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13 Jul 2015 14:54:36
I think you seem to be arguing with yourself here antibot?!.

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13 Jul 2015 09:37:26
MU signed Schwensteiger and very soon they will sign Schniderlin first LvG goal is done they have their number six.Allegedly they've agreed to sell DiMaria to PSG and that could mean Bale signing. If that happens and they sign at least one good striker (Benzema or Benteke) we stand no chance competing with them next season with our current squad.
Signing Falcao is a mystery. The player almost never played as a single striker in his previous clubs (except Monaco where he wasn't so impressive). It is true that Mourinho played 4312 in last four games. Maybe that's the idea and in that case signing Falcao makes sense.

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13 Jul 2015 10:11:50
Excellent observation and similar to what I have tried to express. Therefore we must be confident that something is going on. With the best will in the world "Barcelona star". Pedro. hardly a star and we do not want another panic buy like Cuadrado. I still think we'll get Paul Pogba. going out on a limb to be shot at!

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13 Jul 2015 10:36:44
Signing 3 or 4 big names guarantees nothing! Look at real Madrid, on paper the best squad in the world yet won nothing last season. it's about getting the right balance, the right system & the right blend, Man city had the best squad on paper last season & won nothing, we had the stability & organisation as a unit! no doubt united will be a much better team next season but I'm not overly worried about them in my opinion, Arsenal on the other hand I am fairly worried about if they can land a top class striker, falcao might surprise a few people, played with Costa before & I've no doubt mourinho will get the best back out of him

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13 Jul 2015 12:47:38
I disagree with opinion that Falcao was a flop at MU. He did scored only 4 goals but you have to be aware that he didn't really play much due to injury and whole first half of a season LvG was trying to find a game. When we played against MU at home Falcao was their best player on the pitch. We were very lucky to win that game.
I can agree with Mourinho that Falcao was some kind of a victim while MU was struggling to find the game.
He could be totally different player at Chelsea.

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13 Jul 2015 14:10:53
Totally agree with situation88, it's all about balance and strength in depth and Chelsea worked it well last season. The key this season could be, the quickest out of the gate. The two Manchester's I am sure will take time to gel, with Arsenal being the early threat but the title will be won by the games between the top four or five. I thought Falcao was an astute deal and Manchester United never played to his strengths whereas Chelsea's game does. However, as we all know we need a goal scoring midfielder so we are all holding our breath!

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13 Jul 2015 07:48:26
Thinking about all the transfer news here's what I think.
Begovic - will sign
Varane - won't sign
Rahman - maybe
Luis - will stay
Ivanovic - will sign a new contract
Pogba - probably not
Griezmann -probably not
Aranguiz - will probably sign
Mikel - will leave
Ramires - will stay
Oscar - will stay
Cuadrado - will stay
Willian - will stay
Costa - will stay (paper rubbish)
Remy - will stay
Pedro - will sign
Turan - gone to Barca
Koke - won't sign

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13 Jul 2015 09:45:25
Luis will go

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13 Jul 2015 09:49:34
I think we are at that stage where the supporters are going to have to hold their breath as there is 'something' going on but what? As Champions with big ambitions to build on it, the hierarchy are NOT going to miss the opportunity and I am confident that they are talking to a marquee or impact signing. We all know next year a team that is just tinkered with will be up against it and the list you submitted, whether we like it or not, contains an awful lot of bargaining tools to help meet asking fees.

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13 Jul 2015 13:51:34
Mrs.Costa it seems that Luis will after all as well as Mikel.

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13 Jul 2015 07:37:03
I have been thinking and if we sign Varane it would be Varane and Terry in CB with Zouma as sub. What will happen to Cahill. He is a quality defender and is great in the Premier league. Also I would love to sign Griezmann for RW and move Willian in CAM to rotate with Oscar meaning Cuadrado is our sub RW, but it looks unlikely that we will sign him. All these rumours that Pedro is set to sign for Chelsea got me thinking, if we try Pedro on the right and see if he's good in that position. If he is move Willian into midfield with Oscar and keep Cuadrado on the right as sub, and if he isn't he could be a sub for Hazard. It seems Begovic is set to sign as 2nd choice Keeper and Aranguiz is looking to be as well.

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