Chelsea Banter Archive August 12 2017

 

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12 Aug 2017 23:37:21
morata looked great today why didn't he start do batshuayi was woefull . on the bright side bakayoko moses pedro and hazard were all missing.

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12 Aug 2017 23:57:46
Take heart, guys - Morata looked class, as did Rudiger (solid defensively and quick to spot the attacking possibilities) . Anders did well, and we still have the 'big guns' to come back. Just keep Real's hands off Hazard!

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12 Aug 2017 21:24:18
Was at the game today, as perhaps were several others, so you can watch all the movement players make that can be missed when camera tracking them. Bats was very disappointing a) because his hold up play was so poor (Costa so good at this), particularly needed when you are down to ten men; b) his movement off the ball in general poor, Morata providing a dramatic contrast in this respect. So in first half, apart from some typical Willian runs and a few good passes from Fabregas, we posed almost no threat up front once Cahill self-destructed. Second half, once Morata on, we we were far more threatening but sorely missed Hazard and or Pedro and/ or much else to offer from bench. So yes we are thin and need more signings and with Spurs up next his is a worrying start that will have pundits endlessly recalling the season before last and suggesting this will be a repeat. Let them be wrong!

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12 Aug 2017 23:45:01
morata looked a real player when he came on.

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12 Aug 2017 20:59:30
I am sure now that we are this situation, the so-called expensive players will go for a cheaper price?

WHY does the club wait until they are almost drowned before they react?

I BET WE WILL SPEND MORE NOW.

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12 Aug 2017 19:38:50
We still win the league, regardless of what people will say. This result could be a blessing in disguise and gel the group in more and give them extra motivation to not be as naive as today. Bottom line is regardless of how poor the ref was or how harsh we feel the red was, we shouldn't have lost the heads like Conte said. Look how Liverpool reacted earlier to going 1-0 down or how arsenal did against Leicester? Kept their heads played their game and got points. Cesc for me should have come off and pushed Luiz in beside Kante with Christensen on for Bats. Play willi false 9 til HT and bring Morata on then, no way we concede 3 then, but sure look. Onwards and upwards, it happens, beauty of PL innit.

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13 Aug 2017 00:00:11
😂😂.

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12 Aug 2017 19:29:30
Everything that could have gone wrong, went wrong in that game. The players were obviously fired up to prove doubters wrong and so it hurt doubly so when their efforts were rewarded with being put down to 10 men and found themselves 3 goals down at halftime.

Then a goal taken well Morata, only to have it effectively cancelled out by the disallowed goal that would have counted if Morata had left it.

I'm not really worried about the team long term: we currently have three starters making their way back from injury - Bakayoko, Hazard and Pedro. What worries me more is if our short term is so poor that we can't recover and mount a decent title challenge. It's beginning to show in the player's temperaments and that's poor management by Conte as he also shows a lack of self control in that area. Can we keep our cool and recover? Time will tell.

All the same, it's too much to ask for new players to be brought in and immediately make an impact. Obviously great if they did, but it shouldn't be expected. Too much pressure exerted will make them choke. Shevchenko and Torres are good examples of this.

I expect us to hit full stride by late September. I just hope by then it isn't too late.

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12 Aug 2017 23:30:25
positive today is morata changed the game top talent rubs behind the defenders pedro hazard and bakayoko missing plus moses missed his energy today aswell luiz and cahil worry me to be honest.

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12 Aug 2017 19:24:28
Big decisions to be made this week by the club. Either back Conte or face no champions league football again next season. Sold off all the squad players, loaned out younger players who were ready to be squad players and options this season, basically left ourselves with nothing on the bench.
We currently have 3 central midfielders in the squad, one is excellent, the other is injured, and the final one is perhaps the best passer in Europe but has the mobility of a pensioner. How have the management team let this situation happen? The club went over Conte's head with the Matic sale and don't look like they're going to replace him with anyone significant.
We need 4 players minimum, and by the middle of the week ready for Spurs!
This result today is not even shocking to be honest. I've been saying for a good while that Cahill is a liability. Fair enough it may not have been a red but what an awful touch in the first place. The bloke got himself off the hook so many times last season by scoring important goals after making awful mistakes. Van Dijk is available, go and buy him now! We need 2 full backs. We need at least 1 central midfielder, and I mean a proper one too, not talking Danny Drinkwater here!
So frustrating that we win the league and weaken the squad rather than strengthen it - we do this EVERYTIME we win the league and it can't continue! Get rid of the transfer team, we know who they are and it's time for them to go. It's time the club pulled its finger out their backsides and backed the bloke who won us the league last season! In Conte we trust, but the bloke can't work miracles when the club are doing him over! Changes are needed desperately, and quickly, otherwise it could be a good hiding next week against Spurs!

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12 Aug 2017 20:36:28
Mourinho stole the proper one and board was extremely unsuccessful to keep him.
Danny Drinkwater was fantastic partner to Kante (so he would be my choice) .
Chelsea needs left wide player. I would rather sign 1 more striker than right wide.

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12 Aug 2017 21:17:05
No antibot.

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12 Aug 2017 19:19:17
Let's put that result behind us lads!
The club will go out and get three of four players this week. My guess is that they won't all be ready to face the spuds so we will have to shuffle a very limited pack.
The spuds will be super confident, wouldn't it be typical Chels to turn them over!

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12 Aug 2017 19:07:21
Heard Loftus-Cheek was quality for Palace today. Their fans are saying he's going to be quality for them.

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12 Aug 2017 21:47:48
Hope so! We can then sell him for loads!

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12 Aug 2017 23:32:52
couldnt of been that good they were thumped 3-0.

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12 Aug 2017 18:38:03
Don't usually moan about transfers. But think we need to put our foot down this week and get some players in early doors. Still confident for the season though. Morata looking good.

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12 Aug 2017 18:57:51
Injuries and suspensions have made things look a lot worse than what it is. But we definitely need to sign a player or two before the Spurs game.

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12 Aug 2017 19:06:38
Aurier seems to be available we should definitely get him I know he's had issues but he's a quality player. Rose would be a dream and seems he's available but I doubt Levy would sell. Drinkwater seems the only player available for midfield.

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12 Aug 2017 20:10:30
Not sure how anyone can be confident for this season. We win the title and from then on in it has been a dreadful Cup Final, dreadful preseason, dreadful Community Shield and what can one say about today. The defence did not suffer unduly with the red card and yet we let three shocking goals in. Morata is going to have to play his way in from now on in, no waiting until he is ready and he needs a new signing with him, not convinced with Bats although not entirely fair to judge him on today but at 23 I do not think he is good enough for the Premiership and certainly not Europe.

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12 Aug 2017 18:05:54
Few pointers from today that should be followed in the future:

• Morata should start always he's going to be class for us.
• Fabregas is not mobile enough to play in a midfield two he should only start if we're going 3-5-2.
• Azpilicueta never has or never will make a good wing back as he's not good enough offensively
• Cahill should not be captain. Azpi or Luiz would be far better leaders.
• Danny Drinkwater will not answer our midfield woes I'm hoping Bakayoko can play vs Spurs.
• Taking off Boga for Christensen was a bad idea we should have kept him on and gone 4-4-1.

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12 Aug 2017 18:18:01
I agree on everything save Drinkwater. Give him a chance, people forget he and Kante won the league together. Would also like to add that club need to lodge an official complaint against the referee.

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12 Aug 2017 18:25:25
Can't say I agree on everything.
- Fully agreed on Fab. I've been saying it for weeks, he just isn't suited to it.
- Azpi is a better wingback than Moses in my opinion. His crossing and cutbacks are better than Moses' final ball. He's also more tidy and makes quicker decisions on the ball than Moses. Only thing he's worse at is dribbling. Defensive side of his game is obviously miles ahead of Moses.
- Cahill let his club down today. Ridiculously stupid that he tries to dribble his way through, and then an unnecessary and clumsy challenge to top it off. Embarrassing by our captain. Fab was rash and stupid as well for his cards. Both of them let us down. But if Cahill doesn't go to ground on that "tackle" then we win the 3 points for sure.
- I understand Boga being taken off, and thought Christensen did very very well. Also could've perhaps had a goal if Morata hadn't touched that shot of his. We'll never know, but Christensen showed what he's good at besides defending. He's fantastic on the ball and isn't afraid to join in the attack at times.

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12 Aug 2017 18:54:50
Losing with 9 players on the pitch is not disgrace.The club must sign 4 or 5 new players.We shouldn't have sold or let go so many players.Especially very important ones.

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13 Aug 2017 00:37:29
we don't need drinkwater we have baka amd kante with fabregas rotating i doubt drinkwater would be happy to rotate for a spot . hazard an pedro to come back in and moses all isn't lost thought rudiger looked ok id drop both cahil an luiz i always hated luiz defensively love him as a person class character but woefull defender azpi really stands put mext to him an cahil when them. 3 play in a back 3.

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12 Aug 2017 17:57:21
great assist from morata.

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12 Aug 2017 17:54:31
It is always different when watching on the box (NBC) than at the Bridge; with the advantage of slow motion replay, I would say that the ref only got 2 decisions wrong - the late free kick given against Rudiger and . Alonso should have been sent off in the first 5 minutes as his 'tackle' was the worse out of him, Cahill and Fab.

Indeed. The positives: great fightback spirit; Willian exceptional; Kante superb; Rudiger and Morata look the real deal.

The negatives: Fabregas is a carthorse; Courtois is not a great keeper (and I'm allowed to say this as I've posted similar views before) ; and Conte. 'Conte' I hear you exasperate - yes, Conte - 1) I think he made the wrong decision in replacing Boga with Christiansen - our 3 at the back then had 2 players making their debut and none of the 3 having played together before; surely it would have been better to move Aspi to his normal position and have Boga playing wing-back; 2) Conte's whole demeanour over the last few weeks has been negative and that gives the players an 'out' before the game has even kicked off.

Anyway, 1 down 37 to go.

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12 Aug 2017 18:26:48
Arfield should've perhaps seen red as well for them, while he only got yellow. His leg was stretched and the studs were showing with his challenge on Alonso in 2nd half.

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12 Aug 2017 17:47:44
Cahill was unlucky, 9/10 times that's a yellow. you've only got to look at Arfields tackle on Alonso, yellow card. BUT Fabregas, a player of his experience. getting 2 silly yellows? He's lucky the 2nd wasn't a straight red and now he's banned!

On the plus side, Rudiger and Christensen both had solid games. Morata was class, goal and assist aside, his overall hold up and closing down was excellent. He's got very good movement and touch for a big lad.

Big week for the club in terms of transfer activity, we need to get over this quickly. I actually think it's a good time for us to play Spurs, we won't be taking anything for granted and should be well up for it.

As long as the board get their act together and we don't let let results spiral out of control, I'm pretty optimist about this season.

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12 Aug 2017 18:19:30
The Arfield tackle and foul on Rudiger in the box were outrageous decisions from Pawson. May as well been in Claret!

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12 Aug 2017 23:33:29
sorry mate ge wasnt lucky that was a brain dead tackle.

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12 Aug 2017 17:10:56
Farcical refereeing today. Can't do anything when the official is that poor.

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12 Aug 2017 17:19:33
The ref was poor but we gave him decisions to make. We forgot about playing football.
On the plus side Rudiger, Christensen and Morata looked class.
The club will now RUSH to make signings this week.

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12 Aug 2017 17:42:09
The referees have decisions to make and they have sent off four of our players in three matches; they are not wrong all the time. Cahill goes off and we bring on a defender; where was our defence for three goals? We are 3-0 down and we swop a forward for a forward, why not go for it with Morata, Willian and Bats. Strange match squad, cannot see why Morata was not started and we are currently a shambles. Even if we buy in the next ten days we are going to be potentially unsettled until Christmas. We missed a leader there is no doubt about that.

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12 Aug 2017 17:53:11
Not the red cards, more the penalty decisions not given. Was borderline cheating, FA investigation is a must.

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12 Aug 2017 17:57:35
The only big decision the ref got wrong was that he should have sent Alonso off in the first 5 minutes instead of booking him - Alonso's tackle was worse than Cahill's or the carthorse - but all 3 deserved to go.

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12 Aug 2017 18:20:30
Arfield red card, numerous time wasting, the penalty for the fouls on Morata and Rudiger. Disallowed goal was controversial too.

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12 Aug 2017 19:36:34
Blaming the ref again, how embarrassing 😂.

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12 Aug 2017 23:34:19
stop moaning about the ref we lacked quality fabs legs are gone stupid from cahil no need to lunge in.

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12 Aug 2017 17:07:02
All you talking nonsense about our club should be ashamed. We showed a heart in 2nd half.

The only one to blame for this result is ref, I am not the one to blame referees but this game was just beyond the joke. The Las nail in my cuffin was foul and yellow card to rudiger when clearly it was a could for burnley player, it looked that this ref had a vendetta against our team. Also any foul would have sent fabregas off.

I AM so fuming and if this ref is not banned for next few games I really consider stop watching any games.

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12 Aug 2017 17:18:20
Exactly, to be honest after the first half I was pretty pessimistic, but second half the team showed their true class. Both Morata and Christensen were good.

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12 Aug 2017 17:28:13
What a performance from us in the 2nd half. If we can play with the same intensity then we will good enough to retain the title. Our subs were awesome. Morata should start all the time.

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12 Aug 2017 17:01:41
Not going to post anything negative from the game whatsoever. Positives for me

Willian - worked tirelessly all game. Massive respect for him

Alonso - was at the front of all our worth while chances. Really cannot fault him

Morata - showed some deadly sign's of what he can't do. A must start from now on!

Rudiger - not a world class performance but look solid enough for the most part.

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12 Aug 2017 17:26:14
Nobody is having a go at the team tbf it's the board there mad about. Morata was sensational and as you said the teams performance in the 2nd half was great but the team wasn't ready for the new season. Squad wasn't good or big enough and now we have more suspensions. This is a massive week for us in the market now.

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12 Aug 2017 16:56:40
Managers at Chelsea are never to blame club dose what it was 12gs signs who they want or don't as this year has shown shamboilic plenty on sacked managers yet these tubes are still in a job emelano comes to mind.

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{Ed002's Note - There haven't been "plenty of sacked managers".}

12 Aug 2017 17:10:58
I thought most if not all are managers have been sacked or am I wrong.

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{Ed002's Note - Very, very wrong.}

12 Aug 2017 17:15:17
They've all left mutually. Never properly been fired.

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12 Aug 2017 17:44:16
Am I wrong mourinho was sacked the season we finished 10th cause I see a lot of parallels to that season on what I'm seeing today.

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12 Aug 2017 16:41:04
Cesc Red card. Now who plays next to Kante in the next game unless we sign someone? Lol I can't believe the situation we're currently in.

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12 Aug 2017 16:44:11
David Luiz midfield materclass😂😂. Honestly you couldn't write this stuff. Squad as thin as it is and we get two further suspensions 😂.

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12 Aug 2017 16:46:23
The board are to blame simple as that, sat on there arses and not shown half ambition of city.

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12 Aug 2017 16:54:29
I reckon the board will get their fingers out and sign Drinkwater.

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12 Aug 2017 16:23:57
Seriously. Giving Morata a yellow card for complaining against a huge yellow card. What a farce this is turning into, When you combine it with The way We're playing. Know it's way too song to say, but What an aweful start of The season.

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12 Aug 2017 16:29:19
It's times like this when there's bad atmosphere round club and injuries bookings refs all go against us, when riding high always seem u get run of the green but when there's a cloud unfortunately stuff goes against u.

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12 Aug 2017 16:07:24
I mean we're down to 10 men but that's inexcusable to be 3-0 down at HT. Sure you're not going to have so much possession and be less of an attacking threat but to go 3-0 down against Burnley? Just because we have 10 men we should still be pretty solid defensively, imagine if this was against Real or Barca? I just don't understand our club right now (on or off the field)

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12 Aug 2017 16:24:26
Totally agree, we look shambolic. I know we will get "It's the first game, look what we did last year" from many but look at the line up and subs for the league champions to start the season, dreadful! . Lose a man is bad enough but the team looks as if it just met this afternoon. So disappointing all round and Conte does not look like the man of last season.

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12 Aug 2017 16:02:09
Blimey.

That's all i'm saying 😊.

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12 Aug 2017 17:30:26
Dags i really thought your game yesterday will some up your season. Lacazette looks the part.

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12 Aug 2017 20:57:55
Totally agree on both counts mate.

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12 Aug 2017 15:56:47
Try and get matic and costa on loan, they'd be good right about now.

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12 Aug 2017 17:19:54
you're the type of person he says things without thinking.

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12 Aug 2017 15:51:14
What a great game! Hope now the board buys anyone conte wants - Sandro and some other big signings as our current squad can't even compete against Burnley 😂.

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12 Aug 2017 16:00:10
The fan base has become incredibly toxic. And honestly if something isn't done in the market in the next few days it's going to get soo much worse. Even if it's Drinkwater it's not going to help anything😂.

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12 Aug 2017 16:03:08
Hahahahaha I laugh in Igbo languag kikikikiki!

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12 Aug 2017 16:05:34
And if the board don't sign?! Then what, Conte walks, we finish 10th place again?! Come on let's be real "big signings or not" the lads out there except Kanté didn't look up for it. Courtois seemed like he's still in pre season mode. Let's be honest the preparation leading up to this day has been awful, I think it's clear to see the camp isn't together, conte needs to sort this out as soon as possible. Bringing in big names does help show the clubs ambition but the attitude from the players is just rubbish.

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12 Aug 2017 16:04:52
Look we are on top and Cahill gets sent off. They then go on and score a few in first half. Let's see if we can gain some respect and win second half.
My only issue is we never get our business done early thereby we are never settled, this is compounded when we have injuries to important players. My worry is not today, today is gone. My concern is for each next week against Spurs.

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12 Aug 2017 16:11:56
Rudiger morata who he hasn't played again bakayoko all player conte wanted if he's not happy go there's enough out there to challenge Burnley he's lost dressing room for me when he told the best striker we had he wasn't part of his plans well Antonio were are your plans as the first game of the season your plans did look to good if he doesn't like GO.

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12 Aug 2017 16:29:06
Nibby 77
I think you must be drunk, we had a player sent off after 14, we are losing. Sorry that happens in football.
As for that crap about if Antonio doesn't like things go, are you mad. Costa was a good player but a liability. And as for losing the dressing room, clearly your getting carried away. As I said in earlier post let's win second half. Sounds like Heston having game of his life.

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12 Aug 2017 17:29:41
cahill and david luiz are rubbish defenders there's always mistakes in either of them very dissapointed with that tackle from cahill up near burnleys box what an idiot clearly there's way more going on off tge pitch than we expected an absolute horror show.

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12 Aug 2017 15:42:50
why sell matic if Bakayoko wasnt fit. get another midfield.

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{Ed018's Note - this whole summer has been embarrassing}

12 Aug 2017 15:53:03
Conte will go. He won't want his reputation damaged because the board have no ambition anymore, happy to settle, pathetic, wait all summer for this shower of sh**, morata isn't going to want to come on and the keys give the youth brigade are now wondering why we haven't spent money and think us lot are negative. Idiots.

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12 Aug 2017 15:56:06
I'm not sure if I'm mad at the board for not doing business soon after the season we had after we was n the league or mad at the board for not just doing business after we sold a lot of players. It's a joke really. Plus I for one thinks Cahill shouldn't be starting games. At least not week in week out, he's past it.

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12 Aug 2017 15:56:21
Well if this isn't a message to the board to hurry up then seeing Conte go will be painful. Hope he goes mental in his post-match interview, must be fuming at the board. Few injuries and a suspension shouldn't be an excuse for this shocking performance.

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12 Aug 2017 16:07:41
Clearly Matt Martin you didn't grasp what Antonio is about. This will make him work harder and more determined to succeed. Think back to what was said after Liverpool and Arsenal last season. We will be fine.

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12 Aug 2017 16:12:48
Let him go.

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12 Aug 2017 16:30:38
Saying that last season were you. No you were singing Antonio with everyone else.
So fickle, got to take rough with smooth.

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12 Aug 2017 16:33:58
ed18 how can the board not see it. aren't they meant to be the experts?

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{Ed018's Note - I don't know.}

12 Aug 2017 17:08:26
I wasn't wish I could bring last years posts up.

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12 Aug 2017 17:31:30
i agree serious lack of quality cahill and david luiz are absoloutely hopeless defenders always have been cahill backs off and luiz is just a numpty how that squad pissed the league last year is beyond me hazard pedro and moses a big loss today.

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12 Aug 2017 15:37:45
Everyone who said everything will be fine it's only preseason, well now the season has begun and we still look **** and our squad is threadbare. Against 11 men cesc can't play in a midfield two and now we're down to 10 men we have no one to replace him (Matic comes to mind)

With Diego Costa up front at least we would have someone to hold the play up in this situation. I don't want to be negative but I just can't be positive/ confident with the current squad. Hopefully we can somehow get something out of this game but it's going to be a long season for us unless we make some good signings in the next few weeks.

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12 Aug 2017 17:32:24
we really got caught with batshuayi he is hopeless.

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12 Aug 2017 15:19:02
Boga big debut ruined because of Cahill. Cahill was so concerned with our thin squad his decided to sit out for 3 games.

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12 Aug 2017 17:32:45
what an idiot why did he even lunge; brain dead.

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12 Aug 2017 15:14:17
Captain leader clown, this whole start and pre season has been a disaster.

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12 Aug 2017 15:22:31
Ref couldn't wait to pull the red out, didn't even give himself a second to think. Was pure stupidity diving in like that after a very unconvincing looking run however.

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12 Aug 2017 17:33:05
i don't blame the ref cahil is brain dead.

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12 Aug 2017 14:03:45
Boga starts Morata doesnt.
young bench besides Mortata.

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12 Aug 2017 14:35:07
I like it boga did well when he played pre season so its a good call imo.

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12 Aug 2017 14:35:56
Perhaps Conte is trying to get his point across that the squad is extremely thin. Will be interesting to see how Boga does, think its the right call not starting Morata on the wing as all it'll do is put more pressure on him.

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12 Aug 2017 14:40:38
That bench is so poor. If players don't come in soon these people who want youth to have the chance.

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12 Aug 2017 10:38:51
Just listened to the sharkapod Ed, every eclectic taste in music I must say 😂 Much appreciated the valuable information as always mate. I'm sure you'll be in your Chelsea shirt today, feet up on the sofa beer in hand watching us trounce Burnley 😜.

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{Ed002's Note - I have of couse never owned a Chelsea shirt. Chelsea boots on occasion.}

12 Aug 2017 13:05:49
I have a spare one hear Ed if you want it 😬.

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12 Aug 2017 09:00:34
Hi Ed, thanks for posting the Sharkopod, much appreciated. answered a lot of our questions. Just wondered, in general, if there was any interest in Leon Goretzka? Very talented midfielder. Cheers :)

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{Ed002's Note - Try the European pages.}

12 Aug 2017 11:31:12
Found it, cheers Ed.

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