Chelsea Banter Archive November 11 2012

11 Nov 2012 22:23:30
We need to go back to 433 and be solid in defence and control the games from the midfield, when we used to win the league and were a force in europe we had a rock solid defence and a midfield that was the envy of europe.
We do not need 2 holding mids and having all three of Hazard, Mata and Oscar + Torress is too much of a luxuary as against better teams they dont like doing the work without the ball, except Oscar.
Also I think our forward play is far to narrow, both Mata and Hazard look to cut inside and Oscar goes down the middle, then with Torres dropping deep it make sit easy for the opposition to defend.
We had a system that brought us continued success and was attractive when we had the right players.
Personally i enjoyed watching the Lampard, Drogba, Robben era more than what i have seen so far this season.
Just my opinion, i know it is early days but i think this system leave sus to open against better teams.
DP

Would you have Moses replacing Hazard then we only lack the defening from Mata, but i am sure Hazard wil improve his defend he did defend alot more than usual today aswell.

I think we would need to use the squad more and rotate the attacking players a little more depending on the opposition.
I just feel we are too open and light weight at the moment and against better teams it is being exposed.
Plus the front players looked jaded yesterday, which is no wonder because they have never had a break for weeks and lots of high intensity games.
I dont want to see us turn into Arsenal, good to watch but no back bone and no trophies.

11 Nov 2012 21:02:48
We need a striker. I'm not gonna slag off Nando, but we need a striker desperately who's goals will be the difference between us drawing and winning games. Look how many points United and City are better because of RVP and Dzecko. Nando gives you plenty of work, but he complicates everything. Surely being a striker at Chelsea has got to be the easiest position to play in the league? You control the ball, pop it off, let the 3 amigos do their work, stay around the box and then when the chance comes, which it will, you shoot. We just need an out and out finisher and we'll win the league. So frustrating.

OsgoodIsKing

It should be yes, but because Torres lack confidense he keep going down the middle and narrowing the game, cause Hazard and Mata goes in the middle where Oscar stands. imho when he does that he makes it harder for the midfielders and he lacks upfront. the problem isent the service, the problem is him not moving away from defenders making runs in the box etc. everytime i see him he is just standing still looking at a football game, looking at ManC/U attackers is just something different its like looking at 10years old and then at a 25yeards old pro.

11 Nov 2012 20:52:18
Fernando, forget the last two years get in the car and drive back home, there is a golden sky waiting for you, walk on through the rain.

Once a Red Always a Red

Fernando Torres Liverpools number 9

Evered

The vast majority of Liverpool fans do not want Torres back.

They will all forgive and forget

Drive to Madrid ? Quicker to get plane, why would be want to be fighting to get into top half of league

11 Nov 2012 20:24:56
Hey Ed do we have any interest in Granit Xhaka? {Ed002's Note - No.}

11 Nov 2012 19:46:38
A few points regarding transfers and todays game. Torres had a decent game,good runs,showed a bit of pace and generally worked hard. BUT strikers are judged on goals and sadly he needs 8 chances to get himself a goal. I think he doesnt feel like he belongs at chelsea and a good move to suit all parties would be player plus cash for falcao. Torres back to his boyhood club,back in spain which could boost his chances of playing for spain more regular, plus we get a world class finisher. I think mikel has improved a lot under di matteo but he doesnt give enough to the team for me. Cech,ramires,oscar,hazard and mata are the only players who i think are indespensable to our team. Fernandinho has had two great games against us and has looked good in other champions league games. I think he could work well next to ramires in holding midfield. A striker and holding midfielder are a must for january. Fernandinho and falcao for me.

NWBLUE

11 Nov 2012 19:17:54
I am really SHOCKED but Di Matteo's is clueles, he dont have a tactic at all he just hopes Oscar, Mata, Hazard scores and tells Torres to help them or have the defenders to score goals from Corners,freekicks. This is EXACTLY the same last season he just told people to defend and shoot the ball up to Drogba.

Di Matteo is completly stupid, at swansea most of the players were dead tired, then they were ok form at Shaktar and dead tired again at liverpool. He really need to start using the squad or we WIL go down to the mid table.

Also he really needs some more brain when changing players even i could do a better job at that. We got 15min left and its 1-1 so we really need to score, So Matteo take a offensive player out for another offensive player, instead of a defensive one ( at that time Mikel played f ucking horrible he went forward and thought he could make a difference, instead he threw the ball away everytime he got it and ramires had to stand back and defend.)
So he decides to take Oscar out the player that links everything together and our play always look shaky without him, instead of taking Mikel out and move Oscar down next to ramires which would have worked much much better. That way we would have been much more offensive wil still having pretty much the same defending and much more ball control which a mikel/ramires in pivot never can and wil have.
So then we stand there can hardly control the midfield without Oscar and get pushed back and made very few chances withless someone did some amazing solo work and we obviously had a very hard time to get chances.

Apart from all that i was happy to see Bertrand and Cesar they did a really good job, you could really see bertrand improved alot compared to when he played at Shaktar he really needed a game or two to get some to shake the rusty legs off.
I am still very suprised that Di Matteo still use Torres and Mikel in the "big" games, everyone with a little understanding can see they are a burden on the team and it is never gonna work. Mikel was really good at playing the style we used last year, but he really dosent have the ball control or speed to play this way.
And Torres i am so suprised to see him playing him everygame - sometimes he do some amazing thing gets around 3 guys, but then he throw the ball away it always end up him losing the ball one way or another he cannot see when to stop and pass it and it really makes me pull my hair out to see such things at chelsea. But Torres always end up playing like a midfielder and forgets he actually is a striker, i think he tries to compensate that way for being unsecure and awful infront of the goal.

Matteo really needs to rest people up front he seems to only do it with the defenders for some reason, and he really needs to start using different players the benched players need games aswell or they are just gonna leave Chelsea if they sit on the bench all the time.
I think that he needs to replace Torres with Moses and recall Lukaku if we dont find a striker in january, Torres have had so many chances this year and he still plays awful most teams rely on strikers scoring we are lucky if Torres scores.
If Matteo dont replace Torres with Moses or play with 4 attacking midfielders we are gonna lose more games that i can ensure you. and maybe even use Oscar in the pivot with ramires so we can control the midfield for once, then we can fit in Marin aswell.

I just made some funny math about goals scored comparing RVP and Torres.
RVP score 1 goal every 97min.
Torres score 1 goal every 228min.
RVP has one more assist aswell.
I think Torres should have scored alot more goals as we have 3 better attacking midfielders feeding him constantly if he actually bothers making runs or trying to lose the defenders. a Swansea defender they got for free completly took him out of the match and denied him every chance in 94min, that much for 50m huh?.

Also i think Mata,Oscar and especially Hazard need some shoot/finishing training, they should score some more goals even tho Mata,Oscar has scored ok ammount. im a little disappointed Hazard only scored 1 goal so far not counting the two from penalties and i think he should try take a shot on the goal more often than he does atm. but all 3 made alot of assists which is a huge ++++!

I really hope we could get Paulinho to replace Mikel and maybe a cheap good striker such as Wilfried Bony to take over in the January window.

Sorry for the wall of text.

D.

11 Nov 2012 18:55:23
The draw is not the worst result in the world.I personally think every player played well,but the system was not correct.Well, we are new to this type of playing style so it is taking time to get the system right.When we play well we play the ball high up the pitch and press to stop the opposition from playing ,but lately we are dropping back and thus conceding space .RDM must be knowing it .I hope he sorts it out.The key to our success is playing and pressing high up the pitch .The lesser the space the lesser effective the opposition are.I am sure we will do it in time.
As for some people not supporting Torres ,please give the guy a break he played brilliantly.He did most with the chances he had.Mata was poor today why not boo him too!RDM did poor substitutions why not boo him! Hell boo the team for a draw!
This has to stop here and now .If we do not support our players ,it gives pleasure to our oppositions and they start piling on the garbage and it is downward spiral from there.
The guy is giving everything ,so what he does not score whenever we want him to ,that is the game.It just saddens me to see people not cheering a player after he has given his all.Our is team that is very very different from others and anyone can score when we are on song and the striker can contribute on and off the ball.
The players play for us and we are CHELSEA, we do not want to be Man u or city or any other team ,our playing style will be our own.Let their players score 30 goals a season,what I want my players to do is to give their all and if they do that the team will do just fine,that is all I care.
Because if it is Torres today,it might be Mata or Hazad tomorrow .True ,sometimes things are not perfect so when we lose we can debate things that did not work ,but never ever boo or not support a player who is giving it his all.There is more to the game than just winning all the time and booing a committed player is the worst thing us fans can do.It weaken us and strengthens the oppositions.
It just pains me to see some of the reactions of the fans not supporting or booing player who play to entertain them.
So please I request you all to stop this nonsense and support the players and the team when they are trying their best.After all we are the BLUES.:-)
roan

I dont think people flame Torres for one game m8, hes been awful for 2 years enough has to be enough.
Thats just my opinion.

Well ,true but what I am saying is when somebody is giving their all and he has been trying hard just support them .If he had been lazy and not trying his best then do not support him ,but support someone who is trying.If you have someone better play them ahead of him ,but never ever boo or not support a player who is trying his hardest for you.Beacause then we are not supporters or fans anymore.
roan

I dont know if you have seen the same games as i have, cause he looks kinda giving up / dont care if things dosent work out later in the game as it usual does, also hes interwiev that he didnt give a fock.
Also i think people support and love Chelsea, they just dont support Torres.

11 Nov 2012 18:49:59
1. We should have killed the game in the first half
2. Why take Oscar off?
3. Why take Torres off? Sturridge is suited for certain games and definitely not this one.
4. I always felt that Hazard had an extra gear in him but he did not use it.
Proitos

Oscar was shattered! He played midweek and scored a worldy, he's still just a kid. 20 years old you can't expect him to play 90 minutes twice a week! Kid needs a rest!
Tim

Oscar looked a liitle of the pace by his standards and we were getting overrun in the midfield.

Should have put Oscar down in the pivot and kicked Mikel of the pitch instead.
Ofc he is rubbish tired, Matteo never use different players which is gonna bite him in the ass soon.

11 Nov 2012 18:25:39
Inns and outs upfront:

In:Huntelaar,Falcao and maybe recall Lukaku...

Out:Torres,Sturridge

We need strikers that can nick us games like City and United you can never have enough!Falcao for Torres swap + 15m added and huntelaar for 25m and Sturridge out for 15m

15m+10m=25m,for a transition of 2 strikers that will be brilliant business!

Even bring

Huntelaar for 25m? he's out of contract in june they'd be lucky to get £10m.

no chance atletico would accept £15m and Torres for Falcao. They only want cash upfront due to their financial situation. Also Falcao's valued at something like £48m so you really think torres would be valued at £33m. we'd be lucky to get £20m if we sold Torres.

also i would drive sturridge to liverpool if they offered £15m for him. he too is near the end of contract, and he's just rubbish.

Tim

11 Nov 2012 18:20:12
Very disappointing result against a one-man mid table side who created 2 chances in the whole game. Some sloppy set piece defending.

However, on a positive note our chance creation, especially in the first half, was very good. Torres could have had a hattrick, oscar and mata had chances that they definitely should have taken, ivanovic had a decent chance and hazard had a couple of half chances too.

Overall i thought we defended quite well today, Bertrand and Azpi were solid, Ram and Mikel made some good tackles and interceptions. We didn't let them play.

On another day, we could have won that game 4-0.

The main thing that concerns me is that utd or city would have definitely been more clinical and comfortably won that game.

As a side note, it is disappointing that RDM has no plan B and doesn't use his whole squad. Same 14 or 15 play in the league week in week out, this can only lead to fatigue, considering our huge workload on the horizon.

Also that's 3 league games without a win so we don't want to start our usual winter slump. Need to keep the momentum up and get wins on the board.

To summarise a decent performance with a few positives but the worrying thing is we can't close it out, much like the Swansea and Utd league games.

Sorry forgot to sign my name.
Tim

Don't be decieved by liverpools league table position.. they are still hard to beat

11 Nov 2012 18:00:37
Really need to kill off games when we are 1-0 up. Liverpool still a one-man team with Suarez, only top player. Torres was unlucky again but still, we need a top quality striker. Thought Azpilicueta did well as did Ryan but need more from Mata, Oscar and Hazard. Two of those three missed good chances today, must be taking them.
EH17

I've lost count-how many times Mikel gave ball away, unbelievable!!
DanCfan

Around 3

11 Nov 2012 17:58:01
For the love of god please please please get us a striker who can score goals.....

Andy Carroll is available after his loan period at West Ham

Puzzled

11 Nov 2012 17:56:01
Yet another shocking result against a very poor side.
RDM is a terrible manager. {Ed018's Note - he doesn't have a plan B}

Said this when he was appointed ,got slaughtered for it ,great chelsea man ,but not right man for this job,


rayzor

Plastic, plastic, plastic fans, rdm done more in Europe than, mourinho, ancelloti, scolari, hidink and avb, 3rd in the league, qf league cup, still in champions league, be greatful you lot after all on your way to champions league final last season just think of all the free flags u got to create an atmosphere, joke fans

11 Nov 2012 17:18:06
People doubting young josh are mental. He played centre mid for boro earlier. He usually plays on the left but seriously he is unbelievable, hardly loses the ball, accurate passing, tracks back and plays for the team. Check out this run by josh from earlier. BLUEBOY1.

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11 Nov 2012 15:53:56
carragher in defense? could be a field day

Jordan

11 Nov 2012 18:00:42
Instead he gets the assist LOL

Well said Jordan

11 Nov 2012 14:30:42
cech
cesar, ivan,cahill,cole
rameires,oscar,mata,hazard
torres,sturidge

this is my team today i am 8 years oldAaron

Good team mate

OsgoodIsKing

11 Nov 2012 13:25:54
For the first time I want the spuds to win. So go make yourselves useful for once spudilians.

ELI

11 Nov 2012 12:06:32
just seen it on ssn that chelsea are considering a 30 million bid for maroune fellaini? What a bargin just to make sure we get him we should offer mikel and sturridge too

Sounds a bit far fetched mate. Ramires signed a long term deal last year, Mikel is being offered one. We have KDB, Chabolah and Josh all returning as well. He wouldn't be cover for the deep or attacking mids, so where would be play? If he is going to be a squad player, why would we pay 30m?

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