Chelsea Banter Archive June 11 2012
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11 Jun 2012 23:25:24
Roman Abramovich is ready to pull the plug on the Blues move for FC Porto striker Hulk over excessive demands by both the Brazilian and his Portuguese club. The Russian billionaire will instead direct his efforts to Atletico Madrid as he looks to sign Colombian international Radamel Falcao.
The West London side have been in protracted talks with Hulk and appeared to be close to agreeing a deal to bring the 25 year old to Stamford Bridge but the deal has run cold and Abramovich has discussed the search for a new striker with technical director Michael Emanelo and will now look to lure Falcao this summer. (ed is this story true, are we cutting the hulk deal off to chase another striker. pls what are your thoughts. pls dont give a sarcastic reply). chelsea general
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I apologize ahead of time if this is a repeat of another response to this. But im not sure if the first one made it. You have to consider your source dude. This same story was on caughtoffside.com word for word. They get stuff from less the reputable sources. They have also said that lionel messi would come to chelsea should pep come to be our manager. This jus isnt going to happen. I wouldnt worry to much the eds have said numerous times that we should all expect the hulk deal to be struck. Lets just see what happens. I personally hope hulk does come hes consistent and hes a beast.
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No, it's not true. Chelsea are looking to sign a striker in addition to the Hulk deal.
These things are discussed pretty much on a daily basis on here.
IB.
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I wud say is listen to Ed and when something will happen she will tell us, caught offside is like wikipedia its basically a blog so is very unreliable.
PB
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Gutted if it is true falcaos already said hes staying at athletico
its probably more complicated than that
ed002 seeing as it looks like thiago silva could be moving do you think theres any chance we will have a look at signing him ??
i know we dont need a centre back but hes one of the best
curt {Ed002's Note - As a start I would say that the transfer window does not even open until July 1 so many things and positions will change. There is no immediate interest in Silva from Chelsea but I suspect there will be from Barcelona.}
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Cheers ed
curt
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11 Jun 2012 22:56:39
Are Chelsea Still Chasing Adrian Mutu of all that money he owes us? {Ed002's Note - It is a lost cause.}
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Be like getting blood out of a stone
curt
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11 Jun 2012 21:43:49
Ed do we have an option to re-sign schevchenko?
Haha I'm surprised ppl on this site aren't now saying we should sign him again after his two goals tonight. That's what they usually do as soon as a player has one decent game during the euros.
Ads
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If this is a cocky remark about people saying VDW is s**t, it's because he is, or if it's a bout the French right back, we were discussing him. He played very well.
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I think hes trying to be cocky
obviously doesnt come on here often
VDW is s**t and debuchy was good before the euros anyway
curt
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I don't know how you can say Van ser Wiel is s*** Curt. How many times have you seen him play?
Do you think Chelsea, with all their staff and scouts would maintain an interest in him if he was as you say s***?
To be honest don't know why I'm even bothering.
IB.
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No i dont know why your even bothering considering your the only person on this page that hasnt said hes s**t so why your singleing me out is beyond me
iv seen enough of him to know hes another bosingwa
curt
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Sorry, if it seems I'm singling you out. Your name just happens to appear at the bottom of most of the statements I disagree with.
IB.
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I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement. Just think that the scouting team would recognise if he wasn't good enough.
To be fair he is playing for his National side and has quite a few 'top' European clubs interested in him. But I guess you're right and he's s***.
IB.
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Iv said before aswel IB our scouts dont always get it right look at kezman, shevchencko, crespo, wright-phillips,kalou, bouhlarouz, hilario,turnbull the list goes on
curt
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Have you seen hollands other right backs ?? infact im not even sure they have anyone worth mentioning
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Crespo was good
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11 Jun 2012 21:23:36
SHEVCHENKO!!........ Sadly , I couldn't shout that a lot while he was with us. Happy for the lad though, good to see an old Chelsea boy Doing well.
ELI
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11 Jun 2012 21:20:43
Get sheva back!
Torres will be watching this thinking there is still hope ,
But hopfully he wont have to leave to get form back
Carefree
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Rubbish,when he came on he was the weak link,if we rely on him to get the goals weve had it,his scoring has been naff for months,need better.
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Explain how he was rubbish when he came on ?
buffon read the one on one well good goalkeeping (maybe he could of shot)
and the chip was nearly spot on
he had 15 mins if he played longer he would of scored
he was naff for months yes then he got better end of season
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Agree with curt, he changed the game in munich, his clever runs, i think the first chance he took 2 heavy 1st touch & buffon was quick, plus it was lik his 1st touch, 2nd cuda passed atleast he was confidant enough to shoot. the runs he made was by his runs into space. hell be fine especially with players were mena be signing.
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11 Jun 2012 21:13:27
We should do a Mata on Arsenal again and sign Giroud.
JG
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Rather get lewandowski
trout
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I thought lewandowski too before the tournament (based on a few youtube videos) but after watching hime these last couple of games in the euros, i think hes a bit overrated. very one-footed, lazy, attitude problems, weak. he's talented but i would take a fair few other forwards over him.
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I thought he played well against Russia, didn't see game vs Greece but he impressed in a fairly poor team
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11 Jun 2012 21:12:11
Just watching the ukraine game, shevchenko looks like just the replacement for drogba. Any intrest Ed's ?
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Dont be silly hes like 90 now isnt he
was you a chelsea fan when he played for us?
curt
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Shevchenko is older than Drogba
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11 Jun 2012 20:47:02
would people prefer a driving force to join? eg. fellani? Or would they prefer a classy midfielder such as modric?
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Fellain is a universal midfielder who can play any role in the middle. I love that guy and would really like him to join us.
JG
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Classy all day long, to unlock defences ,keep possession,and make us a lot easier on the eye,i know its a giant bandwagon but i would love someone in the barca mode xavi inesta,that type of player or a deep lying playmaker like xabi alnoso,not a traditional dm /enforcer (glorified centre back)
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If we dont get a Fellaini, or either Romeu or Mikel steps up to a Fellaini level we wont win anything next season. Not me being pessimistic i just dont think we can get away with it twice. We've got enough classy players now to balance it get me a Viera or Keane
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Javi martinez would bey choice. He has a bit of everuything
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Defensive minded midfielder you would want yaya toure or yann mvila but both are highly unlikely
curt
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11 Jun 2012 20:25:16
Any news on the mighty RDM
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Returns from his family holiday on wednesday. Expected to be confirmed as manager either thurday of friday. Either on a 1 or 2 year deal.
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11 Jun 2012 20:21:33
The back page of a newspaper today has said that abramovich is threatening man utd chances of lewandoski with himself going to make contact with bdfc and lewandoski, also heard rumours starting to spread about hulks representatives coming to London and in Portugal reports that hulk has signed can u confirm this? {Ed002's Note - No.}
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11 Jun 2012 19:33:20
ED002 is it true Schevchenko may take up a coaching role at Chelsea striking coach? {Ed002's Note - Only if it says so on Twitter.}
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I hope not all he could coach our strikers on is how to miss
curt
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Yes, his years of top flight football experience would prove worthless.
IB.
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11 Jun 2012 19:30:53
i am not sure if its jst me, but does anyone else feel that with essien not a tank anymore, we should target sombody HUGE for central midfield. Eg. the same build as Yaya or Alou Diarra? Is M'Villa the man?
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Yaya or mvila but i cant see it happening to be honest
curt
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11 Jun 2012 19:20:06
Roberto di matteo seems to be a done deal and Hulk is almost there. So, whats next? I feel that the Van der wiel deal isn't worth it, it looks a bit rubbish in my opinion. Then you have a mixture of rumours with no real substance. Unless we are being serious about Fellani... not gonna be cheap though.
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11 Jun 2012 18:50:39
England are workmanlike yet again, but the stand out player on the pitch is A,Cole.
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Oxlade chamberlain, lescott,parker was you watching the right game?
curt
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Welbeck , terry.
It's all about opinions.
Cfcmatt.
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Yer welbeck wasnt bad
ashley cole always plays well i dont think he was the stand out player though
for me the best player on the pitch was jordan henderson i mean the way he come on gave a way a freekick and then never touched the ball again was sensational no wonder pool paid 14mill for him what a bargain!!
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Wow, no wonder everybody on here says curt talks out of his backside, his guide dog must have gave him that opinion.
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Curts da man haha
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No name it depends what opinion your talking about there
if its the ox parker and lescott played well then watch the game again ox was playing his first competitive match for england and he put in a good shift
parker once again done what he always does
lescott scored and stayed solid at the back
if its the jordan henderson comment then im going to guess your a bitter liverpool fan
curt
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11 Jun 2012 18:02:51
hi eds is there an England page? {Ed002's Note - There is a Euros page.}
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11 Jun 2012 14:04:53
Gutted lavezzi will be king PSG, though he would be brilliant at us in prem lg
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He would be left wing though if im correct and for me persoanlly id rather hazard and mata before him
there 21 and 22/23 got alot longer in top flight left than lavezzi i think
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11 Jun 2012 13:29:37
Could someone clear this up please. Some sources are saying RDM is being offered a one year deal. And others are saying a two year deal. Now If I remember correctly RDM said he wouldn't accept a one year deal and walk away. Anyone?
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Lets hope its a one year deal then eh !!
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Why are you hoping its only a 1 year deal
cant say its because hes a bad manager hes a tactical god won us the champions league give him a chance whos to say guadiola would automatically get us the prem fa cup and champions league??
curt
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He was lucky in cup runs not so good in the league when top 4 was priority,if we had not won big ears certainly would not have hazard thats why...
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Yer i agree hazard wouldnt of joined however i disagree with top 4 priority no doubt we should finish top 3 but i think he knew it was slipping away and concentrated on cups
curt
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Could u have done better? Did u actually watch our lge games? Any1 could tell u the cups were priority and players were rested for the lge. The arsenal and Liverpool line ups are proof.finishing in the top 4 was always a long shot. I can't see how any1 can deny Robbie this chance. He won us big ears..end of
Marley
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Exactly marley and like i said hes a tactical god
probably someone who thinks we should have a manager that would win every game
if i was roberto last season i would of done the same thing concentrate on the cups for 2 reasons
reason one we would of got 4th at best
reason two it was more enjoyable the fact that spurs thought they had champions league football
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You dont consider winning the champions league was a long shot from when he took over then...get real
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Tactical god !! park the bus in front of the goal for the duration of the game ,the players we got are better than that.roman wanted it bad but not winning it like that.dont get me wrong fantastic we won it and spuds was the icing on the cake..but seriously tactical god...
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Would u trade the champs lge and fa cup for finishing 4th? Why not try and make history? Yea it was a long shot but look at the smiles on CFC faces now? Even if we finished 6th and no cups you couldnt really blame Robbie, the damage was done already. Give the lad a chance, he deserves that at least...
Marley
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Noticed the people disagreeing marley are unamed ?
yes tactical god he played the park the bus tactic spot on that was the tactic all along we would never of beat barca any other way
and the other no named i never said it wasnt a long shot i said he concentrated on the cups because 4th spot was as good as gone
i wish people read things properly sometimes
curt
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Curt - I wish people would read things properly all of the time
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Im not blaming robbie,he done what he thought was best against barca and b munich and it paid off for him,do you want to see us play like that again ALL season.the thought of the europey league makes me shudder thats why i said about top 4 finish..ask any spud you know !!
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I wish people read things properly sometimes...says it all in one sentence
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Can you keep it simple, look at the facts and stop being shortsighted? RDM has not demostrated in any shape or form that he can bring on young talent, come up with systems that can take us to the future. Instead, he just relied on the old players to win the cups. Some of his team selections have been suspect too. Proitos
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Thats because the old players were the only ones capable of doing anything apart from mata and rami (who was suspended in munich)
oh no deffo europa league we are much better than that i agree but i think he knew it would be a struggle to get 4th
puzzled must i comment on you why do you put me through the pain of havin to say something?
and no name just copying puzzled ?? if u understood why i said people need to read things u wud understand why i said it
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Curt says hes a tactical genius proitos,do you not agree....?
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No. Proitos.
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Curt..when did rdm see 4th slipping away ,did he take over from avb with something like 20 games left in the league......5th..and 3 points behind gooners in 4th or near as damn ?
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Curt is talking sense the others criticising RDM are everything that is wrong with the new "armchair gloryboys" fan we have sadly attracted.
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Curt talking sence !! i was supporting chelsea when we won the zds cup and was as excited about that as much as winning big ears ,you lot theses days havent got a clue, bet you never even heard of it ?
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Yer i agree proitos and the other unamed armchair supporters dont know a thing
the funniest thing is a said a few things people disagreed with and now the unamed people are still holding grudges most of the regulars (carefree, shed end. ELI etc are over it now)
ill answer anyway he saw 4th slipping away at the point we went 5th joint on points with newcastle there werent many games left then, at which point we were 1-0 up against barca and had an fa cup final
you wont see my point but then i dont expect armchair fans too
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Go and pick your toys up and put them back in your pram ,leave the adults to converse with each other..oh !you sure you spell your name like that looks like one letter is wrong...
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Real mature unamed .... people stopped changing the R in my name for an N when i was 13
curt
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Curt, can you honestly say you didnt prefer it when we went toe to toe with barca and kicked their arses,as opposed to playing in our box all game,near enough the same team,thats why i dont want rdm,believe me i want chelsea to win as much as you ,carefree,marley,if i am proved wrong i honestley would love it ,can you imagine torres,hazard,hulk,mata,rami,all that attacking flair on our 18 yard line,each time we play a decent team..not for me mate,only my opinion.like you have yours.ktbffh,
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Yer i understand what your saying there but with barca we would of been picked apart with the team we had last season
i think this season like you say with the flair we have we could give us good as we get with barca if we meet them in europe
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11 Jun 2012 13:04:40
I wonder, why all chelsea fans are asking only edoo2 to answer their question..
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1. He/she is a Chelsea supporter
2. He/she is very knowledgeable about everything to do with Chelsea
3. you will either get the answer you want to the exact point or a funny sarcastic response
thats why!
Dan1CFC
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Ed0018 cannot devote much time but helps out when he can (like recently when Ed002 was travelling).
His/her answers are common sense ones and this Ed is generally a little less grouchy.
ED002 has a very sharp tongue and on occasions can get a bit nasty, However the monotony and boredomOf repeatedly answering the same questions over and over would try the patience of a saint.This Ed is an Enigma wrapped inside a riddle, is hilarious but is generally sussed and in the know. Which is why you will see questions directed to him/her not only on the Chelsea pages but elsewhere, hope this helps?
Regards to all
Battersea Boy
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Dont think ed002 would agree with bullet point 3,dan1cfc....
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11 Jun 2012 11:35:24
Morning lads ,ED. Like to know what you guys think. Should we sell Sturridge or keep him? I think we should sell him. Maybe 10 -15mil would do the trick and put like 5 mil on top of that and go for someone like Schrulle or Jovetic who are better players and as young as him. So ,What do u guys think?
ELI {Ed018's Note - I think it depends on if Sturridge wants to move on or not. He's still young and can maybe still change the fact that he is selfish. He's got the talent to be a good forward as we saw the first half of last season.}
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He his shot to on target ratio is terrible, let alone his goals to shots. Hell never be top class, and to be honest ed I wouldn't say he was that good apart from scored a few tap ins. BLUEBOY1
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A few tap ins? Scored a screamer against qpr in the first minuite ,hes young he shouldnt be sold on just needs to mature abit hes big headed just needs time and guidance
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Huge ego although thats not always a bad thing as long as you have the ability to back it up. But its very debateable if he has enough ability to fit inside the ego. Maybe he could start by just passing the ball once in a while
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Come on Carefree be real we all know he's young but he is unreasonably selfish, as BLUEBOY1 said the fella took a lot of shots at least five shots in every game he played in and scored one "screamer" against QPR ?! Give me a break. Majority of his goals were tap ins and to be honest just because he scored a "screamer" after Lord knows how many shots he had taken before that game doesn't mean anything. And the fact you think he would get matured and less "Big headed".... Ha! remember a certain Arjen Robben. He got more stingy and even more big headed every season and I think that's the same thing that will happen to Sturridge. The bad part for Sturridge is that he might not end up at a big club like Robben did, he might end up at Liverpool. Yikes!
ELI
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He's a saint compared to Balotelli. His shot ratio? Well, unimpresive to be frank. Speaking of which, does anyone remember Frank Lampard when at Sturridge age. How many balls a game would usually fly to row z, by the best midfielder of his generation?
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Frank Lampard is not the best midfielder of his generation.
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Gotta say just because his shots on target are terrible in his defense hes supposed to be a striker, strikers dont score if they dont shoot
just ask torres when he had no confidence to shoot
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IB in your opinion whos better than frank ??
curt
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Playing in the same period as him? I'd say Scholes, Gerrard, Xavi and Iniesta off the top of my head.
Not by a huge margin, but I'd still prefer those 4.
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Behave scholes and gerrard in my opinion no way maybe xavi and iniesta cant be argued
but then they only really been noticed on the big stage for a few years
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Personally i would let him go, I've seen the. Thing about his accuracy, he ain't no world class player.
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Lampard is better than gerrard
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Gerrard done nothing last season
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Xavi and Iniesta only been noticed for a few years? I don't think so.
About the same period of time as Frank Lampard.
IB.
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Scholes is a better footballer than Frank. You're talking about a generation, not just last season Curt. It's tight between Gerrard and Lampard but I'd still have to go with Gerrard.
I might throw Sneijder in as well. But that's close also.
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Lamps a 20 goal a season man,from midfield!.Says it all.Quality.Proper world class.
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IB
they got noticed when barca started dominating
before that they were known but they werent highly rated
xavi's what 30 plus now and only been highly rated for 4 years at most
like unamed said lamps 20+ goals a season 5 years running, one of our highest goal scorers ever
over the years his creativity vision passing has been immense but no your right sneijder, scholes and gerrard can all do that cant they
iniesta and xavi cant even do that
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Curt, I'd just like to suggest that they were noticed prior to that at a very high standard. Just because you didn't notice doesn't mean that it didn't happen.
Lampard isn't in the same league as Xavi/Iniesta when it comes to vision and passing.
20+ goals a season for 5 years. Yes, also the clubs penalty taker.
Look, I'm not putting him down. He's been a great player for us. I'm just not deluded enough to think he's the best midfielder of his generation.
IB.
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Again singleing me out
i never said he was the best i said he was better than scholes and gerrard and that some people would argue he was better than xavi and iniesta
they were rated a few years back but nothing like they are now
how you can say there in a diff league to xavi and iniesta vision and passing wise makes u the deluded one
xavi and iniesta will rarely knock long balls with such precision as lampard would and quite frankly as gerrard would
curt {Ed018's Note - You guys all realize that the first post in this thread was about Sturridge. How has it got to who's better between some of the best center mids over the last decade.}
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I give up. See if you can watch a few Barca games from last season. Xavi's range of passing, accuracy and vision is second to none in world football.
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Because someone said lamps was like sturridge at his age now hes best in the world i think lol
curt
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OH MY GOD
i should be the one giving up i said you cant say there in a diff league and that they rarely knock long balls with as much precision
iv not once claimed there no good
curt
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I'm giving up on this one too. I suggested that you watch the Barca games because you'll see that Xavi does infact spread play regularly with longer, pin point passes.
Sorry. Maybe my post should have been clearer.
Also, I never accused you of saying that tey weren't good. I said Xavi's passing was second to none.
We were discussing who was the 'best' not who is or isn't good.
Debating the point with you is futile though. Don't worry I won't respond to your posts anymore.
IB.
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These are Xavi's individual awards.
Individual
FIFA Ballon d'Or Third place: 2010, 2011
Ballon d'Or Third place: 2009
FIFA World Player of the Year Third place: 2009
UEFA Best Player in Europe Award Second place: 2011
World Soccer Player of the Year: 2010
UEFA Champions League Midfielder of the Year: 2008–09
IFFHS World's Best Playmaker: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
La Liga Breakthrough Player of the Year: 1999
La Liga Spanish Player of the Year: 2005
La Liga Midfielder of the Year: 2009, 2011
Trofeo Alfredo Di Stéfano Second place: 2010
UEFA Euro Player of the Tournament: 2008
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2008
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2010
FIFA/FIFPro World XI: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
UEFA Team of the Year: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
ESM Team of the Year: 2008–09, 2010–11
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup Bronze Ball: 2009
FIFA Club World Cup Silver Ball: 2011
IB.
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Kaka is the best midfielder, here's proof
Revista Placar Bola de Ouro: 2002
Campeonato Brasileiro Bola de Prata (best player by position): 2002
CONCACAF Gold Cup Best XI: 2003
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 2004, 2006, 2007
Serie A Footballer of the Year: 2004, 2007
UEFA Champions League Bronze Top scorer: 2005–06
UEFA Champions League Best Midfielder: 2005
UEFA Team of the Year: 2006, 2007,2009
FIFPro World XI: 2006, 2007, 2008
Pallone d'Argento: 2006–07
UEFA Champions League Top Scorer: 2006–07
UEFA Champions League Best Forward: 2006–07
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year: 2006–07
FIFPro World Player of the Year: 2007
Ballon d'Or: 2007
FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball: 2007
Toyota Award: 2007
FIFA World Player of the Year: 2007
Onze d'Or: 2007
World Soccer Player of the Year: 2007
IFFHS World‘s Best Playmaker: 2007
IAAF Latin Sportsman of the Year: 2007
Time 100: 2008, 2009
Maracanã Hall Of Fame: 2008
Samba d'Or: 2008
FIFA Team of the Year: 2008
FIFA Confederations Cup Golden Ball: 2009
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11 Jun 2012 08:45:47
anyone think that it would be good to try frank in the deeper midfield role like giggs has done. love frank but cant go box to box forever. cfc forever. jim99
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You mean like he's already been doing the last 10 games of the season??
NP
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11 Jun 2012 03:18:26
Any interest in Nathan Redmond from brimingham, was very good against us in the FA cup and very young too. {Ed002's Note - Not that I am aware.}
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11 Jun 2012 00:11:07
Why are do many people leaving out Ramires in their team for next season. Not only is he a definite starter he is one of the best players in the world. Some won't agree but if you look at our record with and without him last season it was noticeable. Think how good we would be if every player had the same work ethic as him.
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