Chelsea Banter Archive February 11 2019

 

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11 Feb 2019 18:27:39
The problem is we have bought players for systems then sacked the guy that implemented the system we have so many players that fit other managers ways
So I think get to end of year with a solid system that suits most of the team now 4231
Then in summer take it from there with a few extra sarri type players
So if sarri gets sacked we have jorginho on a 3 year deal that would more than likely sit on bench rest of his time here
The big problem is central defence and centre midfield barkley kovacic and Loftus cheek not good enough for that position or system 433 so get kante in a two in front of the madness of rudiger and Luiz and extra support for Jorge boy everyone is a winner keep the front 3 and rotate the 10 between barley rlc there better there for now there not box to box midfielders
This is easy lol.

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11 Feb 2019 21:19:24
Loftus-Cheek not good enough? WOW! Been our best player at LCM yet Sarri doesn’t start him.

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11 Feb 2019 21:39:18
Been our best LCM but played as winger and on bench mostly, can’t get ahead of kovecic or Barkley but apparently his been our best in that position. Maybe because the only times his really played there was on Thursday nights v part time builders and taxi drivers who play in Europa league, to say he deserves a chance. yes, is he a good player. Yes, is he a great player. nowhere near. I’ll ssy it for thousandth time, one of those 3 are good enough for that LCM,

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13 Feb 2019 02:13:52
I don’t see Sarri changing formation just to get through the season. It’ll be counterproductive and just confuse the players and they’ll just have to start over again in the summer. I do think he does need a plan B though as simply changing the players but keeping the same system when we’re chasing a game isn’t working.

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11 Feb 2019 16:39:48
Ed002 - a cheeky short term question: do you think there's any realistic chance Chelsea could sack Sarri given the way things are going?

And a hopefully less cheeky and longer term one, is the progress on the DoF front quite recent?

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{Ed002's Note - Chelsea are not looking to "sack" Sarri at this point but it was previously agreed a third party would look at the training sessions. The club are actively looking to put a DoF in place and there have been discussions with candidates.}

11 Feb 2019 17:32:27
And those candidates would be? ( worth a try )

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{Ed002's Note - Unimportant.}

11 Feb 2019 17:50:21
Ballack and Belletti are two that spring to mind.

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11 Feb 2019 20:43:09
im not interested in who ed but why would a 3rd party take care of training sessions is sarri and zola not cutting it or have the players said to the board we need someone else.

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{Ed002's Note - That is not what I said.}

11 Feb 2019 20:43:25
thanks for any info sorry.

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11 Feb 2019 23:27:43
What would be the benefit of a 3rd party reviewing session ed? Have there been reservations about the training?

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{Ed002's Note - is not at all uncommon for leading clubs to have some one they trust come in and look at things are going - many clubs, particularly Chelsea have done it over the years.}

11 Feb 2019 23:43:37
Ed can i ask who is this third party?

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{Ed002's Note - It is unimportant.}

11Feb 2019 16:31:14
hi lads and lasses and any other people on here don't want to assume gender lol
i went fishing with my two kids on the Atlantic coast of Ireland so i knew i was going to miss the match
the weather turned on us and we headed the 70miles home early
i pressed the record button on my sky app and was going to watch the match when i got home
my sons mate text him on way home the score at half time i for a minute was FFING fuming then i looked around saw my 2 kids and thought there's more important things in life as i had a great day with kids fishing camping and mucking about

BUT AND A MASSIVE BUT we seemed to have lost our way as a leading club and yes i know clubs have cycles. since kenyon and emanelo have gone our direction has been downwards
yes we won the league with jose the second time and with conte but it didn't seem like it was the start of something big but the end of something

player wise, alonso has never been good enough for cfc even in our title winning year i used to go mad at him his defence is shocking and he got away with it in a five and scored a few goals i don't care if left backs score goals defend did ash cole score many no but what a defender

sorry to say willian pedro kovacic what was the point of that loan barkley rlc jorginho 99% of our midfield doesn't cut it only player any top 6 club would want is kante
hazard downed tools 6 weeks ago for the 3rd time in 4 seasons and in my eyes he has to go to madrid i honestly think he has to much influence at the club and will never be a legend in my eyes never, because he puts himself before the club the club i can't stand that
i understand you want to play for the most successful club in history but keep your gob shut until your there be professional and do what your current employer pays you to do

luiz and rudiger aren't a solid partnership there both to eratic and we need a more sensible boring defender in there yes they can pass but they can also make to many errors

jorginho we will move on and if i here the regista postion 1 more time im going to self harm he needs a rest shall we say

kante superrb player and guy fights fights fights if i was him id hand in a transfer request on the grounds i am the only one playing

higuin i must say i like what i have seen so far must be a stop gap surely he's nearly 32 is that we have become picking up old strikers to fill gaps
ba remy eto giroud higuin be cavani next of lewandowski when there current contracts are up

my biggest gripe is there is not 1 leader in our team not 1 surely this needs looked at im not saying put a razor ruddock in there for the sake of it but a man would do we have become snowflake united
cant demand more from them like jose he went
cant criticise like conte he went
cant say they lack motivation like sarri next
we will just down tools and your off mate well still get paid our fortunes and the next manager had better like it to or he can do one

i was delighted we got sarri as i loved watching napoli play
but he hasn't got the players to implement his style and should adapt until HAS
which is why im a bit worried now has he got anything else other than SORRYBALL
what is happening lads it is all going a bit bristols up last few years
and yes i remember the bad times before that card is dealt again

the players don't look, act or even play like a team that wants to play for each other even when certain players score there seems to be a divide in the camp

i think we need a core back in our team a spine as they used to say
we need more don't want to be racist its not my point at all but we need british players who care about the club

sorry for long rant but its really alarming what's happening
i really hope we stick with sarri and change the team as i think its the only way the club can get some power back from the players.

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11 Feb 2019 23:34:20
nice post pal good read i share your frustration an also the smile an joy in my 1 year old girls face as she played around d living room with her toys while i watched d game i could only laugh and thankfully remember its only a game and these players don't give a bollox so why should i . its now a case of enjoy the good games and just suffer d bad 1s and keep smiling.

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11 Feb 2019 15:57:39
No matter what article or platform I choose to express my views on, I'm always pleased to comment on constructive views.

I put my views forward in the full knowledge I will get pelters from some posters but they are my views and I stand by them.

I welcome opposition views no matter how obnoxious but I appreciate that this platform has the ability to edit any post.

I will NEVER be offended by my fellow posters views or questions but I will never except language without argument that I consider to be offensive to any player of the club that I supported for over 55 years.

Come on my MIGHTY BLUES.

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11 Feb 2019 17:51:36
Tom if it makes a diffs. I really enjoy reading your posts and comments. Its always positive and makes sense. I can read your short and long stories. Suggestion. Signup to for a "Ed's" position. Ed002 help us out with Tom if you think he is good enough. Maby do a writeup on current players or performances.

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11 Feb 2019 18:18:18
I think your posts have become deadwood Tom if I'm honest mate






Only joking mate keep up the good work how is your health now better I hope.

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11 Feb 2019 18:58:03
Thank you both for your comments and Franco I’m happy and deserve to be called deadwood. Haha.

My health isn’t very good and if I’m honest I cannot see it improving much.

The Roman era has brought me so much joy, I just wish some of my fellow supporters could just enjoy our successes because we can be sure it won’t last forever.

I would also like to say in general the quality of posts on this site has, in my opinion, improved beyond all recognition. If any of you get bored just check some other teams sites.

COME on my MIGHTY BLUES.

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11 Feb 2019 20:41:10
good luck sir.

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11 Feb 2019 23:38:11
i enjoy all your posts especially after defeats because your a man who has seen the highs the lows etc. meaning u take defeats on the chin and look forward to the next game not come on and give out about d same players and sarri every time we lose like some people do.

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11 Feb 2019 15:51:13
I wonder if jose would become a director of football, ?

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11 Feb 2019 15:58:30
I assume you are being cantankerous Matt?

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11 Feb 2019 16:38:13
Haha what did you call me? I wasn’t generally meaning at Chelsea, just wondered if in general he would be up for it, loves power, Mendez links, ?

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11 Feb 2019 14:53:10
Normally I am not negative, but here it goes.

This is a defining moment for us. We can't keep this cycle of hiring and firing managers. It results in no stability, we keep players who don't show up when they aren't happy and start our manager cycle all over again.

This isn't totally Sarri's fault. Yes, we can look at how Jorginho doesn't have the pace or defensive capabilities. Yes, we can see that there is no plan B when plan A doesn't work.

Look at the players who have been constant for the last few years, Hazard, Luiz, Alonso, Azpi, Willian, Pedro. That is the issue, the core of our team, the "leaders" aren't leading.

I'd like to see us back Sarri, get a DoF that is not a businesswoman/ businessman, get proper players that Sarri can work with and see where it goes from there. If we still aren't winning, then I'll support the club sacking the manager.

A manager, like a player, should be an investment and not an impulse buy. Support him for more than 7 months, then make a judgement. I'd like to keep Sarri, sell the players that no longer are up to par, reinvest for Sarri, then make a decision. Those are my thoughts, feel free to agree or disagree. I'd like to hear your takes regardless.

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11 Feb 2019 23:46:29
the problem for me matt is we can't get rid of the deadwood we have
cuadrado
batshuayi
drinkwater
bakayoko
zappacosta
baba rahmen
kennedy
baker
micheal hector
matt miazga
charly musonda
morata etc etc
we need to get rid of for me
pedro
willian
alonso
giroud
send kova back to madrid he's bang average
id sell rlc don't think he's going to cut it
so what we need is teams to buy these players to help free up funds and wage bill. the problem is we paid decent money for most and where now stuck with players on high salarys who aren't worth the price of a happy meal in reality.

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12 Feb 2019 14:04:59
Jeez, M&S, and I thought that I had a downer on the club at the moment! Your cull would leave us with a squad of about 5 players!

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11 Feb 2019 14:50:48
Think the posts on here have been great and constructive enough.

But let’s be honest, the season is far from over, still so much to fight for. You and I know, heck every football fan know this results happen and will continue to happen to every team « big » or « small ».

We will bounce back, we are Chelsea.

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11 Feb 2019 15:14:31
ELI: Every blues supporter is muttering your words as a mantra to change things BUT if we continue to have the persistent offenders still offending, Sarri blind to Jorghino's failings and sadly, when the going gets tough, the tough down tools, we will get turned over badly yet again. As good as Manchester City are, we caved yesterday unbelievably and it looked like a training work out for them. Yesterday saw Sarri get Sarri-balled by Guardiola and if he doesn't think he has the team to play his way then he needs to play to the strengths of what has but his intransigence is going to cost him dearly unless he adapts.

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11 Feb 2019 16:07:37
I’m not sure how accurate this statement is but I’m told (to many teeth Klopp) finished 8th in his first Premiership season and the second coming called Pep finished 4th.

Let’s try and understand this should be a transition season and if we win a pot or two it will be a good season.

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11 Feb 2019 23:41:47
my only worry tom is liverpool and city wherent losing to bournemouths 4-0 and getting trashed 6-0 by rivals.

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11 Feb 2019 23:42:33
that result i blame sarri for in a way because how many more times is he going to pick alonso and jorginho and pedro and barkley an kova when they haven't performed all season.

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12 Feb 2019 01:08:11
I’m sure someone will correct me i am wrong but I think Klopp has finished 8th, 4th and 4th.

Pep finished 4th and then spent about £600 mil.

We should keep Sarri and back him not sack him.

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12 Feb 2019 08:12:43
TomB: In an ideal world we should keep Sarri but historically (maybe even hysterically! ) we do not keep at manager that clashes with the players and we have in Sarri someone who clearly believes in his 'one' way of playing and that will be his downfall. As I and others have said, he must adapt (can he) to the players he has not try and turn them into something they are not. They are not all bad players but they seem at odds with what he wants and if reports are correct that is two 'clear the air' talks in three weeks; doesn't augur well for the future.

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12 Feb 2019 09:06:57
C1955, Klopp had to make changes and the scousers are now a better side and his board backed him.

Pep improved his side with signings and that was as ageing squad a little bit like ours.

The board wanted a change in playing style so they hired Sarri. The board have to make a choice, back or sack but if they sack they will IMO have to invest three or four players anyway.

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And Finally... Excuses!

11 Feb 2019 12:08:37
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, And Finally... Excuses!

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11 Feb 2019 11:38:23
Just a quick one to remind you all that the donations page for the charity match between my team (winners) and Ed002's team (losers) for later in the year. Here is the link: Just Giving Page and thank you all it is for 2 good charities the teams are competing to raise funds.

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11 Feb 2019 10:21:35
Lets get real here and be honest with Ourselves. The squad is seriously not good enough, this will be the 3rd time in 5 seasons We will have failed to finish in the Top 4 and miss out on Champions League Qualification. Whilst I feel like it's a cop out to care about finishing 4th (it's not a trophy), however missing out will affect Our income and how attractive We are to Players, which cannot be good.

The squad doesn't need a tweak, it needs an overhaul both in terms of outgoings and incomings and has needed it for sometime. We can keep chopping and changing head-coaches and expect them to come up with some super formula with Players that have been put together to suit different Styles of Football all We like but this squad needs investment badly and no great strides will be made until We get it. Not only in terms of the numbers but in terms of spending it wisely.

We have a very average squad, whether We like to admit it or not and by standing still We are going backwards.


If the Club didn't want to give Sarri the tools to implement His footballl, why appoint Him in the first place. We've had more pragmatic, counter-attacking coaches previously. Why not have stuck with them instead.

We are no longer winning the Prem or Champions League anytime soon (lets be honest) with this set of Players, regardless of the Head-Coach. We need investment, end of.

KTBFFH!

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11 Feb 2019 10:07:34
Its about time the club take a deep look at the players for once before they start to look at the manager. The trend of sacking a manger must stop.

Some players have privately started to complain that everything is "too tactical" and that there is now an overload of instructions that they can't keep up with. These bunch of players complained when we had a defensive manager in Jose, complained when we had manager in Conte who was balanced initially and now are complaining against a attacking manager. It seems to me we have a bunch of moaners in the team.

If you can't be proud and show passion when the blue shirt is put in then you must leave. Regardless of the manager in charge where is the passion.

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11 Feb 2019 05:57:50
According to the BBC website, CHO has been told he will not be sold.

Hopefully, Sarri will give him a lot more starts, especially in the premiership, nd that will persuade him to sign a new contract.

{Ed002's Note - Would you be happy to play him and end up 5th and not fourth? }

Chelsea us Currently 6th. Do they need CHO. Would you play CHO now

Where will Chelsea finish now ED002.

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{Ed002's Note - This is why it is not worth my while sharing anything at all on these pages. He is a child and not ready to play every week. You just don't get it, he is still at school and not good enough at this time.}

11 Feb 2019 12:08:59
ED002 why is it not worth sharing due to this post? I agree with it and disagree with you on him being not good enough. Was Raheem Sterling not good enough at Liverpool? What about Alexander-Arnold? Class of 92?

You clearly have a wealth of knowledge Ed002, just down to opinions. It doesn’t mean the poster ‘just don’t get it’

This is a banger page, just disagreeing on certain things but we still appreciate yours and all the other editors on this page.

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{Ed002's Note - It is not just this post. It has nothing to do with Sterling or Alexander-Arnold at all.}

11 Feb 2019 12:11:54
What school is he at if I may ask.

It looks like the teams interested in him don't know about him being in school.

AND it's strange why BAYERN wanted to pay £35m for a Chelsea School Boy who is not ready for regular football and a manager who cares less about his development

Why has he not started a PL game. Is that also because he is a school boy or not fit enough.

Why would an 18year old boy born and bred in London, Loves Chelsea and desciplined in his football and outside ask to be transfered to another country if not to chase his dreams and ambition, that which our beloved chelsea is not offering to him now or in the future

Barkley has years and years of experience and he is no good individually or in a team. Pedro runs around like a bee. He only did great under the manager who brought him in.

The silence and lack of sight of Roman has definately affected the club and its ambition. And we the fans are like the pawns in a classic lifetime chess game

Something is wrong at Chelsea ED002.
Time will tell
I hope it gets fixed before the Summer.

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{Ed002's Note - Why do you want to know what scholl he is at? You going to start stalking him? Chelsea will not be disctated to or held ransom by a child. It is nothing to do with Barklay nor Pedro.

I have no idea what you mean by "The silence and lack of sight of Roman has definately affected the club and its ambition" - he attends all games where it is possible to do so.}

11 Feb 2019 12:42:34
Fair enough ed, I do imagine you’d get slack on other posts when sharing your opinion.

Also mate, I brought in Alexander Arnold and sterling because I 100% believe if they were at chelsea they would be out on loan in the erivisdale right now.

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{Ed002's Note - Ok, it is something that you cannot substantiate and of zero relevance.}

11 Feb 2019 13:10:11
Agree to disagree mate! You got any travel destinations coming up?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, I have a lot of travel coming up.}

11 Feb 2019 16:16:58
Still a school boy but Mbappe was 17 and good enough.

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11 Feb 2019 16:22:04
If Chelsea won't be held to ransome why not just sell Hudson Odoi since he has put in a transfer request; £35m seems a good sum for the 'inexperienced' kid?

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{Ed002's Note - They would like him to sort himself and stay. He is still at school until the summer - they can sort it out then.}

11 Feb 2019 00:26:03
Ed001,or Ed002 for that matter considering your track record speaks for itself.

This may seem like an idiotic question. but is there any interest from the higher-up’s in making us look like a competitive outfit? Is there a plan in what we’re aiming to be? Or are those higher-ups content with the inmates running the asylum and ruining everything that’s been created and achieved since the 90’s, let alone 2004.

We looks a shadow of our former selves, and your comment the other day Ed about there being no plan in reshaping the playing squad is rather frightening indeed.

On that note, what is going on with the director of football, or technical director role? Nothing has been mentioned of it in months? Has the search been postponed?

What is going on?

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{Ed002's Note - (a) I have no idea what you mean about a being a "competitive outfit". Chelsea remain in four competitions this season and I appreciate they lost yesterday. (b) I don't know which Ed made the comment you refer to, you would need to point me at it. (c) There has been some progress regarding the Director of Football role. (d) I am not going to get involved in explaining what is going on.}

11 Feb 2019 09:16:29
Fat fingers let me start again (Ed's please remove by previous post) . Wow not the result I was expected and certainly had hoped. It's a real shame as we had the chance to go at city, especially with their makeshift defence.

This team has a real mentality problem, as soon we concede our heads drop and we lose all composure. With Chelsea teams of old you would be at least reasonably confident of a goal back or mini fightback, whereas the current team you're worried if they'll keep in under 3 goals. Our current away form in the last 3 games is 3 losses and 12 goals conceded, not great reading. We are missing a leader on the field who is not afraid of saying what needs to be said to the players around him. I also do feel that Sarri needs to learn what makes the players tick because I wouldn't say City have a real on pitch leader bar Kompany. It's more so Peps ability to get them up for every single game and buying into his philosophy of football. It's also what splits a great coach from a great manager and something that Sarri needs to work on to be successful at a club like Chelsea in a competition as fiercely competitive as the EPL.

It's pleasing to see a lot of posters not jumping to #sarriout train as easy that might be right now. We need to stick through this, I might eat my hat here but surely even Sarri will realise changes need to be made after yesterday.

We're in 6th with some tough fixtures to come, I really hope the board are putting in place the foundations for a strong transfer window as we sure as hell need it, I'm not confident though. We also need a DoF ASAP, Ballack or Essien would be perfect as we need someone with a football first mindset.

I also find it worrying that Sarri has come out said he's yet to hear from Roman, makes me think Roman really has taken a backseat and even more so after the VISA issue. I commend Sarri for calling him out though to discuss the issues he is facing though, might help Roman understand the challenges Sarri is facing.

This is a tough time to be a Chelsea fan as many of us are feeling like we've become exactly what we used to make fun of cough Arsenal cough but this was a bridge that we were always going to need to cross and is a direct result of the constant hiring and firing of managers, poor recruitment and lack of long term planning. We need to string some results together to build some confidence and the board need to begin putting the ground work in place for a pivotal transfer window both incoming and outgoing to set up to still compete at the level we know we can.

KTBFFH!

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11 Feb 2019 08:50:47
Wow, that wasn't the result I was expecting. What a shame, we had a chance of giving city a real go with the makeshift back line but again lapses in concentration and in general poor play as let us down.

This team's mentality is shocking, we go behind and everyone's heads drop and we're susceptible to being absolutely turned over as we've seen the last few weeks (12-0 we really miss a leader on the pitch.

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11 Feb 2019 07:07:31
as an everton fan looking in it looks like the players aren't playing for the manager again at chelsea, at what point do u start looking at the players? this is mostly same squad that downed tools for jose and conte now sarri. chelsea for me are lacking that john terry type player who would run through walls for the club and am sure wouldn't allow any of this nonsence to happen. Similar to us we have no leaders on the pitch anymore and it shows.

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11Feb 2019 16:36:21
agree mate. However this season I can kinda understand players being a bit frustrated at the manager.

1. same team week in week out

2. same formation week in week and out.

3. same subs week in week out (fans can name the subs - that's not right)

4. players not playing the right position (must frustrate other team mates)

5 . won't drop struggerling JORGINHO because it work it Italy (slow league)


I understand it's the club who pay their wages and they should fight and play for the badge. However it would be like me and to you at work.

if u had a manager that get on with u will work twice as hard for him than someone u don't. whether the company pay our wages. not saying it's right but it true.

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11 Feb 2019 06:55:56
Hay guys my view is this. Our team didn't play the best. Again we had fairly decent good ball possesion. Shots on target was good. but not good enough for a win. Transition will take time but we need to get on the wagon and start doing so because the inconsistancy is really bad. In the prem if you not with the flow you will get left behind. Hoping the board backs Sarri so we can get a coach that can stay onboard for a few years. Im tired of this instant success because it doesn't last. Pep Klopp they all took time to build and that's what we need to try and do. Our board doesn't seem to see this with sponsors and trofies and all of that. Our younger players need to be given a few more chances so that the 1st team players can see that we not hardup and maybe our quality come start shining again. I love my club but not always there thinking but as a fan i need to keep my head up and always believe. City is just on a another level all together as Sarri said they really are one if not the vest in Europe. Maybe a formation change or a few ayers rotaion will be good. KTBFFH.

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Review Of The Day 11th February 2019

11 Feb 2019 07:29:02
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 11th February 2019

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11 Feb 2019 02:30:04
Still humiliated. If I see Luiz Jorginho Alonso in the next game I’ll start losing trust in Sarri. Willian and Pedro have offered nothing and we’re in 6th. Why not keep our academy star, play him because there’s no way he’ll be worse.

I’ve given Jorginho a chance but he is not a great player. My nan could move the ball quicker across the midfield.

Luiz has been a liability defensively however long he’s been at Chelsea. Alonso the same.

Christensen Ampadu CHO Emerson next game please. Maybe they’ll show hunger the starters obviously lack.

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11 Feb 2019 02:58:01
I’d like to see this against United:

4-2-3-1:

Kepa

Azpi Christensen Luiz Emerson

Kante Kovacic

CHO Loftus-Cheek Hazard

Higuain.

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{Ed0333's Note - that’s is a solid team that on paper the only problem is sarri is the coach.