Chelsea Banter Archive January 10 2013

10 Jan 2013 23:21:10
Tried typing 'Torres' and 'future' into the search bar but it came up with no results

Search function working fine then.

10 Jan 2013 21:47:11
I just watched the u21 game against fulham. Certain individuals really impressed me and others performed okay, and looked a tad aprehensive.

Sam Walker: Didnt really have alot to do. Two real saves, and dealt with them comfortably. Made a tiny error at the end, but nothing to dramatic.

Tika Musonda: Started off abit shakey, but gradually as the game wore on he became more involved and stood out for me. Strong on the ball and good in one on one defending.

Andreas Christensen: For a 16 year old he was extremely composed. Good range of passing, dealt with everything comfortably, and didnt let the pressure of playing with JT effect him.

John Terry: A solid 45 minutes for JT. Good in possession, slipped up early on but Walker was there to cover up. As always he led with passion and was a good help to the young lads.

Adam Nditi: Great pass to assit Feruz. Quite similar to Ashley Cole in the way he attacks and deffends, by bombing up and down that left flank constantly. Made a few good driving runs and tackles.

Billy Clifford: A good 45 minutes from Billy. Had a few decents attemps from 20 yards or so. Linked up very well with Loftus-Cheek. Good passing range.

Ruben Loftus-Cheek: Came ever so close to scoring a great low drive from distance. Good strong player. Very promosing.

George Saville: My man of the match. Fantastic work rate all night long. Never stopped, battled for every ball, and to be fair unlucky not to have a goal or two to his name. I expect him to make his first team debut this season.

Milan Lalkovic: A quite game for Lalkovic. When he did get the ball he did look lively down the right wing. Got several balls into the box and had a couple of tame shots. He has electric pace though. My word.

Lewis Baker: Another solid game from Baker. Scored a good penaltym showed his versatallity when covering back deeper in the midfield. Has two great feet.

Islam Feruz: For his standars, he had a quiet night, although he did score. A good finish to be fair to the lad. Attempted a siccor kick moments after his goal, but missed timed it.

Subs:

Alex Davey: When he came on at HT he looked solid and comfotable whilst in possession. Didnt really have alot to do.

Lamisha Musonda: When he came on he looked more advanced to where he normally plays. Made good runs down the left. Passing was a bit erratic at times, should of scored but a good game for him.

John Swift: When he came on he made an imediate impact with a sublime pass to Lamisha Musonda. A Juan Mata type of pass spliting the defence and Musonda should of really scored but the Fulham keeper made a good save.

Peds

Cheek, saville & feruz are the 3 picks for me. always consistent and always improving. feruz even though reasonably quiet his movement is very clever, watch how he drags the centre backs around always leaving gaps for our midfield to exploit. glad someone else checks out the u21s. how do you rate lalkovic? BLUEBOY1

10 Jan 2013 21:13:19
Dave, seeing as it looks all your friends don't like hanging out with you (and for some reason you think what you're doing on here resembles banter), why don't you enlighten us as to who you support?

Melbourne CFC

Probably supports Barcelona, like a proper Englishman, because they play the beautiful game.

To be fair he is not trolling. He has signed his posts and is arguing his opinion.

Blue25

And you must be popular too as you seem to spend a lot of time here are you a bit of a computer nerd type person

dave

10 Jan 2013 17:11:34
If I were one Fernando Torres, I'd donate most of my wages to charity, very undeserving of them and shd be ashame to collect them.
Can anybody take him even for �0�5 5m? Certainly not. Very disgusting that we'll still pay him over 30m pounds in the next three yrs. He deserves an award, possibly the Best Flop of all time.
BB.

Shevchenko, Crespo or Torres? Who would win?

When crespo played he was actually very good. His problem was that he was homesick. I reckon his stats would be quite impressive.
Jimbo

Crespo had a 0.41 goal to game ratio.

Chris sutton?

Luke

David Mitchell

Jimbo

Robert Fleck? VBS

Chris Sutton was a grafter and doesn't deserve to be called a flop! that's a bad call, shame on you luke, shame on you..

Blue John

10 Jan 2013 15:58:53
I honestly believe that with a goal scorer,, either Ba or somebody else and somebody to play beside Luiz we can be title contenders,, we play good football but nobody to put ball into back of net,, and sometimes we get bullied by teams who are more physical so Fellani would fit the bill.. I know Fellani has been better further up field but he is box to box,, we have a team but no striker, 2 players and we are top table team
Matt

Luiz fellaini

Hazard Oscar mata

Ba
And come summer if falcao is here then I'd worry facing us

Totally agree mate but I'd prefer we went back to 4-3-3 with hopefully if we sign him Fellaini one side of Luiz and Oscar the other would love to see a bid for a proven goalscorer who would be cheaper I'd really like to see Higuain in the summer with Torres head first out of here.

CfcBenWxm

100% agreed, we have out played most of the teams we have lost to and we've only looked average under RDM when we sat back and try to play defensive with Bertrand in mid and etc..

The way i see our pivot
mikel luiz - defensive
ramires luiz - defensive but more pace and ballance. both can attack aswell as defend.
lampard luiz- the power, box to box, plenty of goals, my slack defensive duties.
luiz oscar- perfect link up to marin mata hazard. creativityis deffo thr, oscar can play this role brilliantly.
then we have debruyne & mceachran coming back

10 Jan 2013 14:13:49
I woke up this morning and thought to myself if all this is some kind of punishment for the way we won the champions league. 4 trophies have passed us by this season, With all the talent we have I mean we play teams out of the park but they all manage to beat us QPR, West ham, Swansea, corinthians, and now swansea.
Well we now know how Barca and Munich felt.

ELI

If you were to be punished for them embarrassing wins you would be relegated into the championship cos just lately cfc have lost it i mean look at the clattenburg incident............you guys need to give your heads a wobble and start playing as a team not individuals
dave

10 Jan 2013 16:42:34
I don't think Dave watches too many Chelsea games...

J22

Id say dave is a scouser

It was more about your arrogance i was refering to

dave

I'd say Dave is a troll, stop trolling and get back under your bridge.

Please don't tell me that the Community Shield is counted as a trophy nowadays?

Po

10 Jan 2013 13:19:36
I fail to see why so many of us are condemning rafa to the gallows. yes, we lost a game we dominated. let in two easy goals but....

but i have seen enough from the team this season to think that there is a good probability that we might go to the liberty stadium and thump then 4-0 or 5-0 .

bdw, heres my opinion on the whole lampard new deal saga.
unlike with avb, this time i think he has accepted his place in the subs list.if it were me, i would want him in the team just so i could see that trademark late run in the box and tap in. but hey, thats just me. i am a fairly young chelsea supporter so lampard was in the team when i started watching epl. kinda tough to see him go.

taby

I agree. What can rafa doo about ivanovic's mistakes.

Sub him at half time and we lose 1-0, now to win in 90 mins we got to win 3-0, quite a big ask when a teams defending like there life's on it, same as us beating barca and bauyern last year,

Of course its a tough task but they sat back and defended and we could have easily put 3 or 4 past them. by the way, the Ba goal was not offside.

10 Jan 2013 12:21:12
chelsea is proof that money doesnt make the world go round and throwing money around doesnt make you a class act. balance is required and your team i feel is very top heavy crackin going forward but unless you park the bus you are always susceptable to letting in goals. last night and a few previous results prove this. truth is the proof is in the pudding and you guys have lost a lot of games this season that you just shouldnt have with the firepower you have . it isnt rafa's fault it wasnt di matteo's or avb's its partly the old and past it senior players influence (avb) or a meddling owner who thinks you can win games by out striking other teams more thought needs to go into the recruitment and less emphasis on the old guard and silky wingers/strikes

dave

Dave, I've never seen you troll the site before, but please feel free to wriggle back into whichever hole you came from. You're posts today are meaningless to Chelsea fans and far from decent banter. I don't know who you support, but I can imagine posting rubbish on the Chelsea page is a big thing for you.

You claim our 'problem' is a meddling owner. The same owner that meddled his way to securing us 3 PL Titles, 4 FA Cups and CL glory. Whos meddling is the sole reason, we are where we are as a club. Ridiculous comment.

Melbourne CFC

One Champions League

Three Premiership Titles

Four FA Cups

Two League Cups

Two Community Shields

Two FA Youth Cups

Damn our meddling owner!!

Have some respect for what he's done for the club.

Surewould

YES surewould! spot on. BLUEBOY1

Any billionaire could buy those cups and titles. Man City wil get theirs bought for them too. It's easy to win with a sugar daddy but it holds no class and gets no respect

And how many multi millions i don't think you got a lot for your money i really dont. i am not looking to pick a fight but i read your page and i am mirroring a lot of comments from your fans on this page so i don't think your fans will find it meaningless unless you like to stick your head in the sand whilst all around is in tatters. i think RA will soon tire of this and you will be a championship club soon. good luck and keep bitching at each other or the manager or torres or whatever you want to blame. thats all that makes this page a real giggle. you guys are so fickle you argue with each other get a grip guys you have the best attacking team in the league you should support it not boo and hiss every time a result doesnt go your way grow up
dave

ps how many managers has he sacked no sorry your right he doesnt meddle. and why are you still chanting di matteo's name if you all agree with RA chortle chortle

I didnt JUST blame RA there are a lot of other issues fans etc being fickle but RA doesnt help the continuity of the club otherwise the special one would still be there and you may have had some respect from other clubs as it is for what little success you have had you and your circus are still the laughing stock of the prem in recent years

dave

Name one team that has had consistent success anywhere over the last decade without spending money to do so? It's nothing to do with being classless, that's modern football!

Surewould

All these so called other fans talking rubish about us spending money can do one for years we never had a penny whilst they spent millions but hang on that was ok but now we can buy who we want and we have won a grand haul of trophys its suddenly wrong .......fxxk off the lot of you go back to your own numb nuts teams site ....wheres pinky when you want him

mat

Man you dominated with the kids and spent not a fraction of what you have spent so far.

i will say this though you do have a really exciting bunch of players there they just need time to blend i guess i won't say good luck cos i won't mean it

dave

If winning doesn't give you class then sir Alex has no class because he is an a-hole otherwise. And i'm not sure how much credit he deserves with the refs and fa always helping.

10 Jan 2013 11:27:23
Anyone else worried that Torres in our only striker for the Europa League this season...?

I am not. It just says we won't last there long.

JG

Nope soon be out of that as well and guess what ........ you can concentrate on the league o and the fa cup whilst your still in it good luck

dave

10 Jan 2013 11:01:49
I read up your posts this morning and some are quite strange to be honest.

Do you actually believe that Roman himself, as you put it, insists on managers playing Torres? As in "Rafa the job is yours, but Torres must start". You do understand that it is b*******, don't you?

When i say Rafa has lost the games against QPR, Fulham, Corinthians and Swans - which we should have comfortably won, it is not because i don't like Rafa. It is not because the players did not convert the chances, but tell me - who decides who plays on the pitch that certain day, or the substitutions? Not Rafa? Roman, maybe?

Don't be ridiculous. Yesterday - Ba on the bench, Torres on the pitch - 1. Oscar on the right wing, Ramires in the centre - 2. Substitutions - each at least 10-15 minutes too late - 3. Every substitution, except the Ba substitution did not make any difference.

Yes Ivanovic made two stupid mistakes, it cost us goals. But had we not conceded it would have been as bad of a game. And it is the manager who made those decisions, noone else.

There was no difference in this game and the QPR game. Again selection ridiculous. Substitutions tardy and useless. How hard it is, like Harry has put it.

And he will start Torres again. And he'll be useless again. And we have just extended Lukaku stay in WBA. And De Bruyne at Bremen. Who sees any sense in this?

JG

Im starting to get tired of so many repetitive negative posts

PB

10 Jan 2013 11:33:36
roman have bought and spend enormous amount of money...its his property..its not a publc limited enterpirises..
he can himself start without training and coaching..
he has the authority..
he can bring zidane back..ronaldo back..
or even ask zola to play..
its his bloody mind...not manager..nor coaches..
if spurs finished above us...we can all finally conclude..that our owner doesnt have any brains..

You've actually lost the plot JG, I'm sorry mate. You are talking as if we were played off the park yesterday and it was a massive game for the club.

Let me put things into perspective on both fronts.

1.
Shots 20-4 (Chelsea), On Target 7-3 (Chelsea), Corners 6-0 (Chelsea), Pass % 86-77 (Chelsea), Possession 66-34 (Chelsea), Time in Opp half % 61-39 (Chelsea) and so on.

2.
It was the Capital One Cup FFS. How in any way shape on form is it an important trophy? Financially? Nope. Qualification for Europa? We don't want or need. Fan & team morale? Sure it would be a boost if we went to Wembley and win a cup but there is another cup final to be played there, which is far more important.

Let me ask you a simple question JG, would you prefer Ba to have started against Swansea in the mickey mouse, or against Stoke in the league? I'm sure we both would prefer he started both games but we both know how unlikely that was.

Then you mention De Bruyne and Lukaku. Have you considered, for just one minute, that the reason you would consider either good enough for the squad because they have been gaining valuable experience all year on loan? That if either were at Chelsea that they would not make an immediate impact, or start every game.

I hate Rafa and I've said it from day one, and that ain't changing. But we played well enough to win yesterday and although his substitutions were as usual woefully late on, if he has one eye on Saturday and starts Ba headlining a strong team, I won't care. (Not that I can say I really do anyway as its the Mickey Mouse and we werent that bad).

Sorry for the rant but you're negativity to the club as a whole is reaching new extremes.

Melbourne CFC

Totally agree Melbourne CFC

PB

It's always the Mickey Mouse cup when you lose

Melbourne,

I saw the game. As i have seen almost every game of Chelsea for the last 15 years, or so. I saw the possession. I saw the great play of Hazard and Mata up front. But i have not seen Torres involved into neither of those.

Are we expecting Mata to be scoring goals for us every game now? Let's get real - he's our best player, but he's not Messi. Agree?

The reason i'm talking of Lukaku, is because we both know that he'd offer us more than Torres. He is scoring goals at WBA and we are locked here with Torres playing every game. Every! (ok, Juventus away and Southampton away were exception). If Torres can play every game, why can't Ba do that?

Yes, you, me and everyone would prefer Ba starting every game of ours onwards. He did that for Newcastle, why can't he do that for us? But here's the problem.

We still seem to think that Torres is some sort of a valuable asset and that his super fragile self esteem would get mortally wounded, had he been relegated to the bench for, say, two games in a row.

i don't care for any mickey mouse cup. The only trophy worth playing for this season is qualifying for CL next term. The rest i don't care. But you know - i don't decide those things.

But Rafa thinks that an away game to a mighty Southampton in one of the cups is more important than the game against QPR at home.

but you're also missing a point. We have played our strongest 11. Ok - 10. At home. We just can't put the bloody ball into the net. It's not a one off. It's a common tendency these days.

Apart for sorry Villa, we tend to score none at home in the league. City 0-0, Fulham 0-0, QPR 0-1.

This is not a negativity. This is a reality. Teams play deep and disciplined against us. Fulham showed the way. The rest followed.

JG

Its hard for us to score when there is zero movement upfront from Torres. Personally i believe if Ba had started those games we would have got 7 points instead of 2. I am not negative because i am confident in a striker of ours for the first time this season.

jordan

JG stop contradicting urself and have your tea next time before posting. If rafa fielded our best 10/11 against swansea & southham how is it the same as qpr when facing 2/3 matches over 7days at the end of the year he chose to rest some players. i will bet that the game stats, except for the final score, is about the same in all 3 matches. After Ba sat out Newcas game during his trnsfer, Southhamp was the 1st oppertunity to play him and rest torres.

Not sure what subs you were looking for rafa to make at cb with terry out and luiz doing the jod in mid or why your slating Oscar who was brilliant yesterday and always putsin a good shift on both sides of the ball. i can't say for certainty the amout of control RA choses to use with his managers but i remember when we just started the season fans were frustrated with RDM for not playing all our new boys and then a report came of a visit by RA to the training ground after which no more lamps/mikel in midfield and we went on a nice unbeaten run with the Mazacar trio. By the way, Torres still wasn't scoring at that time and our defensive shape was awful and we still won.

10 Jan 2013 09:09:53
As should of been 2-3 up by first half so tactics were right,, defence were solid EXCEPT two big mistakes from ivanovic. Midfield done well,, Oscar is not as good as a winger and Ramires not as good in that pivot role as his passing isn't too draw,, and we all know that the only problem we had was Torres,, he started of first ten min and I thought he was well up for it,, they soon faded out. One point that made me laugh was that a swift counter attack and Torres looking all the way down the line was 10 yards offside ? Demba Ba had two chances a pen appeal and perfectly gd goal ruled out in 10 min.. 10 min! The fact we booed out own player is embarrassing thou,, no wonder other clubs say we plastic fans..

10 Jan 2013 07:05:24
Have heard from a good source that Torres is involved in a swap deal with a bag of cement. The cement is a lot more mobile around the area.

10 Jan 2013 02:02:31
Hi all Chelsea fans only site I no that i can talk to Chelsea fans now I am the biggest fan of fernando Torres his movement is phenomenal but demba Ba came on for 10 minutes and did more than he did all game they defended so so deep that Torres game running in behind there wasn't room for that we needed a target man to cut midfield out which is why I was shouting to bring Ba on rafa is the problem no matter what, should of known this and played Ba bet he plays Ba Saturday against stoke long ball tactics we've give Torres chances something's not rite but think Ba and lukuka are the future but Torres will come good with us or with someone else, class is permanent doesn't just go thanks still beat them at there place

Phenomenally non-existent!

Jordan

09 Jan 2013 23:55:33
Really feel as though we need to go back to our old 4-3-3 formation because I feel the 4-2-3-1 isn't working. Luiz has been fantastic but he needs two box to box midfielders either side of him like Hamsik or Fellaini. We need more steel in midfield and to be more direct up front. I think two more signings in hopefully Fellaini if reports are true and someone like Cavani/Falcao in the summer. On a brighter note I feel Luiz has nailed the defensive midfield position as he covered Ivanovic brilliantly when he decided to go on a run.

Would love to see:

Cech

Azpilicueta Cahill Terry A.Cole

Oscar Luiz Fellaini

Hazard Cavani Mata

subs: Courtois, Ivanovic, Bertrand, Romeu, Ramires, Moses, Ba
Then you have box to box midfielders in Fellaini and Oscar with Luiz and a great front three to counter attack.

Then get rid off:

Turnball
Hilario
Ferreira
Mikel
Malouda
And el crappo

CfcBenWxm

10 Jan 2013 01:29:03
I hit agree because I too would like to see us return to a 4-3-3 because I think the best sides are capable of using two or three different formations during the season. I would like to see us have the option of two or three different set-up's depending on the opposition and the personnel we have available. It would make us less predictable and would also give us scope to change our shape during a game if we are struggling.

J22

09 Jan 2013 23:36:53
2 mistakes cost us, and we were given a lesson in how to finish, we played well but did not take our chances, we could and should have won easily.

charity shield = lost
super cup = lost
world club cup = lost

out of champions league
losing in semi final of the league cup
throwing away the points lead in the premiership

We all expected a lot of the team this year with the possibility of winning so much silverware,
if we don't buck up our ideas we will be lucky to finish in the top 4. Its all very well thrashing sides but if you don't win when it counts we will end up like Arsenal, getting all the praise for the pretty football, but winning nothing.
At the moment I am hoping we finish in the top 4, I can't see us winning anything this year, but lets hope the team improves and we lose the players we need to and bring in the players and manager (I don't think Raffa is the long term answer) we need.

Bluetrick

I disagree about Rafa, compared to our last 2 managers i don't think he a put a wrong foot yet. Similar results but it seems to be on the field as i think he's putting our boys in a position to succeed. Didn't feel that way most of the time with our last 2 managers, just my opinion.

You have to ask yourself what would we have won should Torres have got the boot in the summer for his pathetic tantrum and Drogba stayed on for another season?Scott M.