Chelsea Banter Archive August 10 2015

10 Aug 2015 23:24:50
Hi Eds,
Can anyone update me on the situation regarding Kenedy - it seems to have gone very quiet. Thanks

10 Aug 2015 19:21:47
Hope zouma plays more games next to Terry., will learn so much playing next to the best, and cover for the lack of speed at the back

10 Aug 2015 12:50:20
A question for anyone really. How is it City can spend over £100m (if they sign de bruyne), when they where fined last season £50m for breaking FFP. Also financially is the money there for Chelsea to purchase pogba or greizman.

10 Aug 2015 16:19:15
The money is there for Chelsea to sign Pogba or Griezmann but they aren't going to pay what they see as an unreasonable amount. Didn't Griezzman just sign a new deal? If so I'd imagine his buy out clause is now astronomical.

I might be wrong on this but wasn't the problem with City, and PSG for that matter, that the owners were trying to use some sort of illegal sponsorship method to settle their books - rather than just spending too much. They've since proved that they can settle the books without such a method and as such their limitations have been lifted. They're spending a lot of money though, it'll be interesting to see what their end of year finances look like as they haven't made much back though sales.

10 Aug 2015 16:47:41
IMO, I think they just don't care.
They are a group of billionaires ( Quatar Group + Dubai Group) - they invest a lot in football for fun and they want to win.

Even if the balance book looks not nice and UEFA will fine them, they still be cool with it. Pay a little fine is oke with them.

Furthermore, UEFA also eased the FFP for those clubs could use more money.

So they buy the players they need - and buy the one that the other clubs want too. Strengthen yourself - weaken your enemies. More depth - more choices in the team never is a comfortable problem for the coach.

If you have any concern, pay more the mother club more than me and than u have my permission to speak.

10 Aug 2015 18:40:21
Wasn't EUFA threatened with legal action and so eased the stipulations? It was always going to happen.

10 Aug 2015 20:25:57
I don't think that's how it works Daton. UEFA have banned clubs from European competion, and you must comply to FFP, or in the early stages at least show a willingness to begin to balance the books.

Unless it has changed the accounting for FFP is set out in 3 year/season lots. Clubs can have loses of £45m in that time, that can be offset by owner investment. So without having the any of the figures, if in the year ending 2014, Citeh had losses of £100m, in 2015 £80m, and in 2016 £50m, although it doesn't comply, it shows an improvement and a ban from competition would be unlikely.

I also believe that how clubs account for buying players is stretched over the life of their deal. Eg. if De Bruyne signs for Citeh for £50m for 5 years, on the books it is accounted as £10m each year for 5 years.

I don't believe stadium extensions, youth development ect is accounted for as a loss in FFP.

I may be off on a few details, but unless Ed002 or 001 can set us straight, I think its safe to assume its going to be more accurate than 'they are billionaires and don't care'

10 Aug 2015 22:13:18
Melbourne you are right.
There are additional reasons why they can spend more. PSG was within FFP. Man.City wasn't. Both clubs are making much more money on merchendise than we do( especially PSG). And one more very important reason is their owners are not Russians. Which brings us to double standards issue from UEFA.
Barcelona was banned, there's every reason for Man.City to be banned.
Next sentence has nothing to do with Melbourne's post-money wasn't a reaso

10 Aug 2015 22:15:08
Money was not a reason why we failed to sign Koke, Pogba or Griezman.

11 Aug 2015 02:39:15
I'm fairly sure Barcelona's ban stems from signing players illegally and isn't so much about money spent mate.

Also, money was most certainly the reason the three of those players weren't signed. Every player has a price, and if any of those 3 were available for £25m, you can be pretty sure, we would've signed them.

And that fact we have a Russian owner has little to do with us not spending like PSG or Citeh. Roman has been working towards the club being self sufficient for some time, and the days of spending £150m in a window and well amd truly gone. We will also not be held to ransom anymore, which, I for one, am extremely pleased with

11 Aug 2015 05:51:41
I meant 1 or maximum 2 of those 3. None of those 3 players wanted to join us.
When I compared RA with other owners it was about social treatment and not about financial power.

11 Aug 2015 07:34:46
Like I said I'm not 100% on the ins and outs of FFP, but you seem to be getting a few things wrong mate. You've made the mistake of thinking merchandise has a serious effect on profit. Other than Real and Barca, who have worked out deals that give them a cut of all sales, no team makes a great deal from merchandise. We sell the rights to the manufacturers ie Nike, Adidas who pay a premium for the right to produce and sell our gear.

Unless a shirt or any other merchandise is bought through the official club shop, the club sees no return. Ed002 has outlined this multiple times, and if I'm not wrong the profits are distributed between the manufacturer, the distributor and the wholesaler.

We don't make the gear, and like I said, unless its through the official Chelsea club shop, we don't get a cut of the sales.

I'm also perplexed where you get the information that backs up your claim we sell a lot less merchandise than PSG and Citeh, as on a global scale, we have far more supporters than both of those teams.

{Ed001's Note - the only part of the world those two clubs outsell Chelsea is in the Middle East, due to their owners, but Chelsea are not far behind even there.}

11 Aug 2015 10:10:45
Melbourne CFC . completely agree with you. our spending days are over . we need not buy players who are overpriced

I like the route the management has taken in investing in younger players and building from the ground upwards. Not all will be a success but the one who make it will be called our very own and will go on to be legends like lampard terry cech drogba

we should only pay if the talent and the player fit the price and philosophy of CHELSEA

11 Aug 2015 15:11:02
Thankd Ed001, thought antibot may have been bending the truth.

{Ed001's Note - PSG are not that huge around the world to be honest. They are only a new club and still not built up a huge fanbase through their history, despite Di Maria's comments on joining.}

11 Aug 2015 16:12:16
Yeh I wouldn't of thought they would be. As far as I can tell, outside of the big clubs in Europe, who consistantly do well in the CL, and have done for a decade plus, what I've experienced is that the EPL is the only league that is followed worldwide by large groups.

I'd imagine it has a lot to do with TV rights being sold everywhere. I know in Oz we even get better coverage than the UK. Every game shown live. that's EPL and CL, then almost all the EPL sides FA Cup games are shown also. And most Capital One Cup games. I think La Liga gets decent coverage aswell, but both the Bundesliga and Ligue 1 get zero airtime. I'd imagine the EPL out does La Liga for supporters here as its more competitive and a lot of people have a connection to England so even the Villa's and Sunderlands have decent support.

I don't know the stats, perhaps you do, but I'd assume the PL outsells any other league, globally, in terms of merchandise.

Sorry for rambling. Its from posting again, and your bad habits rubbing off on me ;)

{Ed001's Note - I don't have the stats to hand, but it is the biggest seller overall, even though Real Madrid are the biggest single club in terms of merchandise.}

11 Aug 2015 16:19:45
Last year PSG had 250m€ income excluding tickets, sponsorship and tv rights. If that's not merchandise I don't know what it is. We had 150m€, Citeh 175m€ and MU 180m€.
Information was published all over British press in May this year.

{Ed001's Note - your figures are wrong, they received 474m Euros in total, two thirds of which came from sponsorship info. 200m Euros alone came from the Qatar Tourism Authority. So no idea what you are talking about.}

11 Aug 2015 17:20:11
If the press is your source for anything, antibot, you will find yourself wrong a whole lot more often than right!

Also seeing as Chelsea is run with £, and the fact the country who press is putting out this info is also a slave to the £, a giveaway that they may be spewing out rubbish is that they are calculating things in €.

But I for one, will listen to Ed001 and 002 over the press any chance I get. Both sources have consistent form, but only one is consistently right.

09 Aug 2015 22:36:30
Hi eds. I was wondering how the deal for Rahman was going and who else we were looking at bringing in
Cheers in advance

{Ed018's Note - I think they will eventually come to an agreement}

10 Aug 2015 10:37:20
some of the criticism aimed at ivanovic is vey unfair IMO. we are weaker on his side as he is partnered closest to cahill and fabregas. compare that to azpil matic and terry. His crossing does seem poor but he still crosses it after all these years so Mou must see something in it. The player I was least impressed with on Sat was Fabregas, if he and Oscar were to swap I think they would both improve. Stones and Rahman ASAP please

10 Aug 2015 11:33:22
I disagree - Willian protects Ivan far more that Hazard protects Azpi.

10 Aug 2015 17:35:10
I agree 100% Mrs Costa, Willian is our hardest working player EVERY week! Imagine Ivanovic with Hazard in front of him offering very little protection, he'd get ripped apart every week!

10 Aug 2015 22:21:45
We all have witnessed how well he protected Ivanovic when he slept over and totally destroyed us.

11 Aug 2015 08:18:53
Firstly, I have loved Ivanovich in past years, but, this is professional football and nothing lasts forever. The second half of last season highlighted for me that he's gone, the same will happen with JT(showing signs last year). These guys are unbelievably well paid and that is because it doesn't last forever. We(some of you) continually bag Willian on here for not producing more goal wise and things like putting Gomis onside but he was covering a defender that no longer has the ability to track back after pushing forward. Put Dave behind him and he will flourish. Just my opinion and I'm open to your criticism, however, we are near the top of the tree and players(however much we love them)cannot be carried for a short time let alone consistently in the EPL and Europe if we wish to win trophys.

11 Aug 2015 10:56:45
Kiwi Mourinho tried it in several occasions but it didn't work at all.
ATM concentration (focus) looks like the biggest problem for Chelsea.

12 Aug 2015 08:26:00
antibot, I take your point, but not in the last 12 months since Invanovich has started to decline. He was/is a great centre back who has been moved to right back to fill a gap with Dave moving to left back to cover the loss of Cole.
Can we possibly clone Dave, with him at left and right back we'd be unbeatable, that's how highly I rate him, he continually flies under the radar, but I feel, is probably the first name on Jose's team sheet week in week out.Maybe Rhaman will be the next guy to prove(ala Dave) that we don't always have to buy already made superstars if our scouting network has done their job properly.

10 Aug 2015 10:31:04
Bit of a random post but what is the best Chelsea game you've ever been to? Whether it be for score line, atmosphere or anything else. For me I'll go with home against Sunderland last season, the game itself wasn't the best but the fact we won the league and had the title celebrations afterwards made it pretty magical

10 Aug 2015 10:48:52
City away in 13/14. And funny enough it was Ivanovic's winner. His big moments are sensational but he's too inconsistent defensively.

10 Aug 2015 12:50:34
Has to be Barca away - 2-0, down to 10 players - and then Ramires and Torres legend moments.

10 Aug 2015 14:07:00
My absolute favourite game was a 5-0 win at home to Man Utd. Ferguson's face was a picture!

10 Aug 2015 15:03:39
Mrs Costa I would have loved to go to that, such an incredible game

10 Aug 2015 16:26:17
Champions League final!

10 Aug 2015 17:23:06
Champions League maybe tops everything but as I am older I will plump for the 1970 Cup Final replay at Old Trafford when we won 2-1. The satisfaction beating Revie's Leeds United was huge.

10 Aug 2015 02:28:30
Melbourne, Marley, and Blueboy1 coming back in the same week is a treat. Fingers crossed Curt doesn't follow suit.

10 Aug 2015 05:58:29
I thought pinky had been outed as curt a while ago? Glad to see you still around tk

10 Aug 2015 06:38:37
no I just had to make new account

Pinky is not me why you assume that

Very childish tk. Just becuz you disagree with me doesn't mean you can say things like that.

{Ed001's Note - it is Aron that has the same IP.....}

10 Aug 2015 07:18:27
Are you serious now, Ed001?

{Ed001's Note - yes.}

10 Aug 2015 07:26:48
As the bloke that just posted, or the original curt from a few years ago Ed001?

{Ed001's Note - the one that just posted has the same IP as some posts from Aron.}

10 Aug 2015 07:51:08
Aron the man u fan who ED02 exposed?

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea about that, I assume so as I never saw what happened with him.}

10 Aug 2015 08:07:13
Yeah, Ed002 once said that Aron was a United fan actually. And he hasn't posted in a while (at least as far as I know). So I guess he's back under a new name.

11 Aug 2015 04:52:05
I will say you have dedication to continually reregister under so many different aliases.